>>> THE PREMEETING OF THE PUBLI
SAFETY AND HUMAN SERVICES
COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. I
IS 9:33 A.M., I'M LISA HERBOLD,
CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. WILL TH
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> PRESENT.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> PRESENT.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> HERE.
>> FIVE PRESENT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO ON
TODAY'S AGENDA, WE WILL HEAR
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE VOTE ON
COUNCIL BILL 120580 ON
DEACTIVATION, PROTECTION ON
APP-BASED WORKERS. WE WILL
CONTINUE CONSIDERING AMENDMENTS
WITH THE GOAL OF MOVING THE BIL
OUT OF COMMITTEE TODAY. I REALL
WANT TO THANK MY COUNCIL
COLLEAGUES FOR BEING HERE ON A
SPECIAL COMMITTEE DAY, AND AS
WELL AS THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO AR
GATHERED HERE WITH US AND
WATCHING ONLINE. WE WILL NOW
APPROVE OUR AGENDA FOR OUR
COMMITTEE MEETING. IF THERE IS
NO OBJECTION, TODAY'S AGENDA
WILL BE ADOPTED. AND HEARING NO
OBJECTION, TODAY'S AGENDA IS
ADOPTED. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL
TRANSITION INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WILL MODERATE THE PUBLIC
COMMENT PERIOD IN THE FOLLOWING
MANNER. EACH SPEAKER WILL BE
GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. I
WILL ALTERNATE BETWEEN VIRTUAL
AND IN-PERSON COMMENTERS. I WIL
CALL ON EACH SPEAKER BY NAME AN
IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY
REGISTERED ON THE COUNCIL'S
WEBSITE AND THE SIGN-IN FORM. I
YOU HAVE NOT YET REGISTERED TO
SPEAK, BUT WOULD LIKE TO, YOU
CAN SIGN UP BEFORE THE END OF
THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION. ONC
I CALL A SPEAKER'S NAME, IF YOU
ARE USING THE VIRTUAL OPTION,
YOU WILL HEAR A PROMPT. ONCE
YOU'VE HEARD THAT PROMPT, YOU'L
NEED TO PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUT
YOURSELF. PLEASE BEGIN SPEAKING
BY STATING YOUR NAME AND THE
ITEM IN WHICH YOU'RE ADDRESSING
SPEAKERS WILL HEAR A CHIME WHEN
TEN SECONDS ARE LEFT OF THE
ALLOTTED TIME. ONCE THE SPEAKER
HEARS THAT CHIME, WE ASK THAT
YOU PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENTS. IF YOU DO NOT END YOU
PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF
THE ALLOTTED TIME PROVIDE, THE
SPEAKER'S MIC WILL BE MUTED
AFTER TEN SECONDS, SO WE CAN
HEAR FROM THE NEXT SPEAKER. ONC
YOU'VE COMPLETED YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENT, PLEASE DISCONNECT FROM
THE LINE. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO
CONTINUE FOLLOWING THE MEETING,
BUT PLEASE DO SO VIA THE SEATTL
CHANNEL OR THE LISTENING OPTION
ON THE AGENDA. RIGHT NOW WE'VE
GOT NINE FOLKS SIGNED UP FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT. FIVE PEOPLE WHO
ARE SIGNED UP VIRTUALLY AND FOU
IN PERSON. WE WILL TAKE THEM IN
ALTERNATING BACK AND FORTH. WE
WILL START WITH CARMEN FIGUEROA
FOLLOWED BY HUMBERTO SOUZA.
CARMEN?
>> HELLO, MY NAME IS CARMEN, I'
A GIG WORKER IN SEATTLE. I
STARTED DOING GIG WORK ABOUT
FOUR YEARS AGO AFTER A BACK
INJURY LEFT ME PARTIALLY
DISABLED. I RELY SOLELY ON GIG
WORK TO MAKE ENDS MEET. FOR FOU
YEARS, I WORKED FOR GRUBHUB FUL
TIME AND IN GOOD STANDING,
MAINTAINING A RATING IN THE HIG
90s, DEACTIVATED AS OF AUGUST 8
LAST YEAR. ATTEMPTING TO APPEAL
THE DEACTIVATION WAS A LIFE
LESSON IN PATIENCE AND
PERSEVERANCE. IN THE END, I
RECEIVED AN E-MAIL STATING I WA
DEACTIVATED DUE TO ADVERSE
BEHAVIOR AND ACTIVITY THAT
NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE DELIVERY
EXPERIENCE ACROSS THE PLATFORM,
WHICH MEANS NOTHING. THE THREAT
OF DEACTIVATION IS ALWAYS
LURKING WHEN WORKING AS A GIG
WORKER. I HAD MISSED A FEW DAYS
OF PAY, WHICH SENT MY PRECURIOU
FINANCIAL SITUATION INTO A
DOWNWARD SPIRAL THAT I'M STILL
ATTEMPTING TO CLIMB OUT OF. GIG
WORKERS DO NOT LIVE PAYCHECK TO
PAYCHECK OR WEEK TO WEEK. WE
SURVIVE ORDER TO ORDER. WHEN
THERE ARE NO ORDERS, THERE ARE
NO WAYS TO SURVIVE. EXECUTIVES
LIKE TO CALL GIG WORKERS AND
DELIVERY DRIVERS INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS. ANY RESPONSIBILITY
THAT AN EMPLOYER WOULD HAVE OF
AN EMPLOYEE, ALLOWING THEM TO
TREAT DELIVERY DRIVERS AS
EXPLOITABLE AND DISPOSABLE.
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS HAVE
LITTLE INDEPENDENCE. OUR
IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR, OUR
MANAGER IS AN A.I. SYSTEM THAT
CANNOT BE REASONED WITH. THE
SYSTEM IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR
HUMAN'S ABILITY TO APPLY REASON
AND COMMON SENSE TO A PROBLEM.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
GIG COMPANY TO CREATE A
FUNCTIONAL PROCESS WITH HUMAN
REVIEW AND MEANINGFUL APPEAL
PROCEDURE BEFORE DEACTIVATING
THE DRIVER. WITH MORE AND MORE
COMPANIES CONVERTING EMPLOYEES
INTO INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS,
THE GIG COMPANY, THE ECONOMY
NEEDS REGULATIONS AND POLICIES
TO ENSURE GIG WORKERS STABILITY
THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO WORK ON
THIS AS AGREED UPON DURING
NEGOTIATED, DURING THE STAKE
HOLDER PROCESS WITHOUT DECEITFU
BACK DOOR AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS HUMBERTO
SUOZA, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO
HEAR SOME ONLINE COMMENTERS.
HUMBERTO?
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME
HUMBERTO SOUZA, AND MY -- WE
NEED STRONG DEACTIVATION
PROTECTIONS FOR ALL GIG WORKERS
AS A MEANS TO PRESERVE OUR
RIGHTS AS WORKERS. AND IT IS A
NECESSARY WORKER FOR GOOD
WORKERS. THE PROTECTIONS AND TH
STANDARD REVIEW PROCEDURES TO
ADDRESS THESE SITUATIONS WHEN
THEY HAPPEN ARE UNNECESSARY, SO
PEOPLE LIKE ME DON'T LOSE THE
WORK WE RELY TO SURVIVE. NONE O
THE COMPANIES HAVE SET THAT UP
IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE REASONS
ON WHY THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL NOW
AS GIG WORKERS. AS DISCUSSED,
ALL OFF DAYS ON WHY THIS WAS
BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND I
THE FIRST PLACE. WORKERS WILL
WORK ON RECEIVING THE NOTICE FO
NON-SENSICLE REASON AND IF IT I
VIABLE. AND IF THEY HAVE THE
CERTAIN ACCEPTANCE RATING, THEY
COULD BE ACTIVATED OR GIVEN A
VIOLATION. EVEN THOUGH THEY
CLAIM THAT YOU WILL HAVE THE
OPTION TO CHOOSE OR EVEN DECLIN
AN OFFER. THEY WOULD HAVE
ACCEPTED A JOB AS THEY USE THE
SKEWS TO DEACTIVATE YOU. AND TH
WAY THAT COMPANIES WILL MANAGE
THEIR PARTNERS WILL NEED TO BE
CHANGING IN SITUATIONS THAT WIL
HAPPEN WHEN IT IS OUT OF OUR
CONTROL. WITHOUT YOUR HELP, IT
IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE SOMETHING
FIXED. THESE AMENDMENTS, THEY'R
RIDICULOUS. I'M A WORKER THAT
WILL NEED PROTECTION TOO.
>> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER
IS ONLINE. IT'S COURTNEY
GILLESPIE, AND COURTNEY WILL BE
FOLLOWED BY KARI.
>> HI, I'M COURTNEY AND THE
DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS
AND SOCIAL IMPACT AT TASK
RABBIT. I'M HERE TODAY TO SHARE
OUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE
DEACTIVATION ORDINANCE. THEY
CONNECT PEOPLE FOR A VARIETY OF
SERVICES, WHICH PREDOMINANTLY
TAKE PLACE INSIDE OF HOMES FOR
AN AVERAGE OF TWO HOURS. WE
REALLY DEACTIVATE USERS FOR THE
PLATFORM IN EVERY INCIDENT
LEADING TO THE DEACTIVATION IS
WITH OUR TRUSTED SUPPORT TEAM.
WE DON'T AUTOMATICALLY
DEACTIVATE CASES. THOUGH WE
AGREE WITH THE VALUES AND THE
INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE
RECENT AMENDMENTS TO THE
TECHNICIANS TO THE INVESTIGATIO
TIMELINE, AND TO THE RECORDS
REQUIREMENTS SUBSTANTIATING THE
DEACTIVATION. AND IN PARTICULAR
WHICH WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF OUR
ADDITIONAL CONCERNS. THANKS TO
THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE
STAKE HOLDER ENGAGEMENT ON THE
BILL AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PROVIDE COMMENT TODAY. THANK
YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUR NEXT
SPEAKER IS KARI FOLLOWED BY
JOELLE KRAFT.
>> HEY, HOW IS IT GOING? MY NAM
IS TYREE. I'M HERE BECAUSE I WA
DEACTIVATED BY GRUBHUB ON MAY 1
WITHOUT MUCH EXPLANATION.
DESPITE BEING A RELIABLE GIG
WORKER ON THE APP SINCE 2018. A
THE TIME OF DEACTIVATION, I
REPLIED TO THE DEACTIVATION
E-MAIL THEY SENT SEVERAL TIMES.
THE ONLY EXPLANATION I COULD GE
WAS, "DUE TO MY MATERIAL BREACH
OF OBLIGATIONS." WITHOUT
SPECIFYING WHAT THESE
OBLIGATIONS WERE. ACCORDING TO
GRUBHUB'S OWN POLICY, AS A
GRUBHUB DRIVER, YOU'RE ALLOWED
UP TO THREE CONTRACT VIOLATIONS
WHICH EXPIRE AFTER ONE OR TWO
MONTHS. AT THE TIME OF MY
DEACTIVATION, OTHER THAN ONE
CONTRACT VIOLATION, I HAD ONLY
ONE SINGLE DELIVERY, DUE TO THE
RESTAURANT BEING LATE IN
PREPARING THE FOOD. THIS WAS
NOTIFIED IN THE APP IMMEDIATELY
ONE DAY BEFORE I RECEIVED THE
DEACTIVATION NOTICE, I RECEIVED
AN E-MAIL FROM GRUBHUB SAYING
BECAUSE MY ACCEPTANCE RATE WAS
BELOW 50%, MY ABILITY TO
SCHEDULE BLOCKS WILL BE
RESTRICTED GOING FORWARD. WAS
THIS A COINCIDENCE? NO WAY IN
THE CONTRACT DOES IT SAY YOU
NEED TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN
ACCEPTANCE RATE. AND WE CANNOT
ACCEPT LOW BALL OFFERS AND
EXPECT TO MAKE A LIVABLE WAGE.
GRUBHUB HAS BEEN A MAIN SOURCE
OF INCOME SINCE 2018. IT IS NOT
ONLY A JOB, BUT SOMETHING I
ENJOYED DOING. AND DOING IT
THROUGH THE PANDEMIC HELPED ME
REALIZE THE VALUE OF WHAT IT IS
TO BE AN ESSENTIAL WORKER. WITH
THIS BEING SAID, DRIVERS DESERV
BETTER, AND I HOPE MY STORY CAN
HELP INFLUENCE CHANGE IN A WAY
THAT COMPANIES LIKE GRUBHUB CAN
BE HELD MORE ACCOUNTABLE, SO
DRIVERS ARE BETTER TAKEN CARE
OF. I HOPE TO BE HEARD AND TO
BECOME A DRIVER AGAIN. WITH THE
HELP OF WORK IN WASHINGTON AND
THE PAY UP CAMPAIGN, SEATTLE
CONTINUES TO SET THE BAR FOR TH
REST OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE GIG
WORKER INDUSTRY. GOING FORWARD,
I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE WITH THE
FINAL QUESTION FOR THE SEATTLE
CITY COUNCIL. CAN WE CONTINUE T
COUNT ON YOUR SUPPORT?
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUR NEXT
SPEAKER IS JOELLE KRAFT, AND
THEN WE'LL MOVE BACK TO
IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT, KAY.
JOELLE?
>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL
MEMBERS, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN T
ALL OF US. I'M A GIG WORKER IN
SEATTLE, AND I'M TESTIFYING IN
REGARDS TO THE DEACTIVATION OF
GIG WORKERS. AS WE'VE SEEN SINC
THE BEGINNING OF THESE TYPES OF
COMPANIES HAVE CONTINUED TO GIV
THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PROTECTION
TOWARDS THE MOST DESTRUCTION
TOWARDS THEIR WORKERS. WE SAW
SEVERAL NOT EVEN THOSE THAT
FOLLOWED THE LAW AND THEY DID
THIS TO MAKE MORE MONEY ON THE
BACKS OF THEIR WORKERS. I WORKE
AND I STILL HAVE ZERO PROTECTIO
FROM THE CITY BECAUSE WE WERE
LEFT BEHIND AGAIN. WHY ARE WE
ONLY PROTECTING SOME GIG
WORKERS? TO ME IT SEEMS THESE
VERY WEALTHY COMPANIES GET TO D
WHATEVER THEY WANT INCLUDING
DEACTIVATION, WHICH IS THE
HARDEST THING FOR A WORKER. THI
AMOUNTS TO GETTING FIRED WITH N
REPERCUSSIONS TOWARDS THE
COMPANIES IF IT WAS WRONGFULLY
DONE. PEOPLE LIE ABOUT OTHERS.
BECAUSE CERTAIN WORKERS HAVE
PROTECTIONS, THEY ARE NOT ABLE
TO ADDRESS THESE TYPES OF
SITUATIONS. WITH THE WAY THESE
COMPANIES ARE DOING THINGS NOW,
THE CUSTOMERS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT,
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THE
WORKER DID NOTHING WRONG. WE AR
PAST THE TIME TO PROTECT
WORKERS. AT THIS POINT, IT HAS
BECOME OBVIOUS THAT THESE
COMPANIES HAVE MORE OF THE EAR
TO THE COUNCIL THAN YOUR
CONSTITUENTS WHO VOTE YOU IN.
THIS WAS APPARENT AND IS STILL
APPARENT AFTER WE HAVE DONE ALL
THE STAKE HOLDER MEETINGS AND
COME TO ALL THESE HAD
AGREEMENTS, AND THEN LAST
MEETINGS. IF THEY ARE CONSTANTL
DROPPING SOME OF THE BEST
WORKERS. THIS IS HOW WE LIVE,
AND DEACTIVATION WITHOUT THE
STRONG PROTECTION IS A FAST WAY
TO HOUSELESSNESS. IF WE DON'T
GET PAID, THEN WE CAN'T PAY
RENT, AND THE TRICKLE DOWN
EFFECT OF THAT. PLEASE PASS
THESE PROTECTIONS AND ADD MARKE
BASED WORKERS TO ALL THE OTHER
PROTECTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND I
APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.
>> THANKS SO MUCH. OURFECTION
SPEAKER IS KAY NESS, AND KAY
WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARIA
HERNANDEZ WITH INTERPRETER
HANNAH.
>> HELLO, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS
KAY NESS, I LEAD THE GOVERNMENT
AFFAIRS TEAM AT ROVER, COMPANY
HEADQUARTERED IN SEATTLE'S
DISTRICT SEVEN. MY COMMENT TODA
REGARDS CB 120580. SPECIFICALLY
I ASKED FOR THE COMMITTEE'S
SUPPORT FOR AMENDMENTS 8B AND
11. THESE AMENDMENTS RESOLVE
CROSS REFERENCES THAT WOULD
CONFLICT WITH EXISTING
LEGISLATION PREVIOUSLY PASSED B
THE COUNCIL AND ADDRESS OTHER
CONSIDERATIONS. BOTH AMENDMENTS
ARE IMPORTANT AND ALIGN WITH TH
VALUES OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU
FOR THIS COMMITTEE'S
CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS THE
WORK AND ENGAGEMENT OF CENTRAL
STAFF AND COUNCIL STAFF, WHICH
IS MUCH RECOGNIZED AND
APPRECIATED.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE NEXT
SPEAKER IS MARINA HERNANDEZ WIT
INTERPRETER HANNAH.
>> BUENOS DIAZ. [ SPE AKING IN
NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE ] [ SPE
AKING IN A NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGE
]
>> EXCUSE ME, PLEASE WRAP UP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> PLEASE, GO AHEAD, I CAN SEND
THE INTERPRETATION IN WRITING.
>> PLEASE.
>> I WORK FOR DOORDASH. I
STARTED WORKING ON DOORDASH IN
JULY 19. MY HUSBAND WAS LAID OF
AND WE HAD A HARD TIME FINDING
WORK, SO WE BOTH STARTED DOING
GIG WORK. WHERE SHE TWO GIRLS
THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. M
MOTHER NEEDS SUPPORT FOR HER
DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND MY
HUSBAND TRANSLATES FOR HER. IF
WE HAVE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY
JOBS, THEY WOULDN'T GIVE US THE
TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY WE NEED. BU
THE PAY IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE
ON. THIS IS A LIE. MY EARNINGS
FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH WERE JUS
UNDER $1,230. AND WITH MY TOTAL
COST OF $671, I BROUGHT HOME
LESS THAN $600. WE HAVE TO WORK
MANY HOURS UNDER HEAVY STRESS
AND FACE THE RISK OF GETTING
INTO ACCIDENTS. I GOT INTO AN
ACCIDENT DOING A DELIVERY AND
HAD TO BUY A NEW CAR BECAUSE IT
WAS MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX THE
CAR THAN BUY A NEW ONE. I GOT A
LOAN LAST YEAR TO GET THE CAR,
AND THE LOAN WAS $13,000, AND
NOW I'M DOWN TO $12,000. AND I
WAS DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCE
LAST YEAR AND HAD TO STOP
WORKING BECAUSE I WAS DOING
CHEMOTHERAPY, AFFECTING ME
FINANCIALLY TREMENDOUSLY. I WAS
NOT ABLE TO HELP WITH THE BILLS
WE SHARE, AND I WAS WORRIED
ABOUT MONTHLY PAYMENTS FOR MY
CAR. I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE
LOBBYISTS TO JOIN ME ON MY DAIL
SHIFT TO SEE EVERYTHING WE DO.
AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE
HAVE TO GO THROUGH AT WORK, THE
ONES SHOPPING FOR DOG FOOD,
WAITING AT RESTAURANTS FOR A
DINNER ORDER, TO TAKE IT FOR
THOSE CUSTOMERS. AND PUTTING IN
TIME AND MILEAGE THAT DOORDASH
IS NOT PAYING FOR THAT HAS TO
COME OUT OF OUR POCKETS. WE ARE
NOT EARNING WHAT THE APP SAYS.
UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS WANT TO
PAY THE POLICIES. WE'RE WORKERS
TOO, AND WE NEED TO PAY TOO.
THIS IS A JOB NO MATTER HOW MAN
HOURS WE WORK IT. WE NEED TO PA
OUT NOW, WE CANNOT WAIT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUR NEXT
SPEAKER, JOINING US VIRTUALLY I
MARY AND THE INTERPRETER FOR
MARY.
>> MARIA, YOU'RE THE INTERPRETE
FOR MARY? WE DO NEED YOU TO HIT
THAT TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
>> HELLO, THIS IS THE
INTERPRETER, JUST ONE MOMENT.
>> HELLO, I AM MARY. AND THEY
WILL DO A GOOD JOB REGARDLESS O
ANY KIND OF BARRIER. AND YOU
HAVE TO CONSIDER THE
AVAILABILITY ON ITEMS AND ALSO
TRAFFIC. AND FOR A REFUND. IF
EVERYTHING WAS FOUND IN THE
STORE AND BROUGHT TO A CUSTOMER
SOME CUSTOMER WOULD REPORT THAT
THEY WERE BAD OR MISSING, BUT I
IT WAS UNTRUE, THEN THAT WAY TH
CUSTOMER WOULD GET A REFUND FRO
INSTACART AND THE COMPANY WOULD
LOSE THAT MONEY. BUT THAT WAS
SOME REASONING BEHIND IT. ONE
REASON FOR DEACTIVATION FROM
INSTACART WAS HIGH MILEAGE AND
LOW PAY. AND IF THAT WILL HAPPE
OFTEN, THEN YOU WILL RECEIVE A
DEACTIVATION. I'M ASKING THEM T
PASS PROTECTIONS. AND TO PROTEC
SHOPPERS. THANK YOU FOR
LISTENING.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT WAS
OUR LAST ONLINE PUBLIC SPEAKERS
WE STILL HAVE TWO IN-PERSON.
WE'LL HAVE KIMBERLY FOLLOWED BY
DANIELLE.
>> KIMBERLY WOLF, GIG WORKER.
>> YOU SHOULD BE VOTING NO ON
EVERY ONE OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
NONE OF THEM ARE IN ALIGNMENT
WITH THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL
BILL. THIS IS A LAST-MINUTE
TRYING TO GO AROUND THE STAKE
HOLDER MEETING AND SHOVE IT DOW
OUR THROATS, AND IT'S
DISGUSTING. YOU'RE THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE. AND YOU'RE
LOOKING AT THE SAFETY OF THE
PUBLIC. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, GIG
WORKERS ARE A PART OF THE
PUBLIC. FRANKLY WE ARE WAY MORE
LIKELY TO BE UNSAFE THAN OUR
CUSTOMERS IN ALL THESE
INTERACTIONS. AND I REALLY -- I
DON'T LIKE BEING TREATED LIKE
GUILTY BEFORE PROVEN INNOCENT I
A LOT OF THESE AMENDMENTS WE'VE
BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO
KEEP EVERY TINY LITTLE THING
THAT COULD GO WRONG TO THE
PUBLIC AT THE EXPENSE OF GIG
WORKERS. AND OUR LIVELIHOOD IS
BEING TAKEN AWAY. IT'S AT THE
SNAP OF THE FINGERS. NOT EVEN
REAL FINGERS, JUST AN ALGORITHM
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOOK AT IT.
AND YOU'LL HEAR THESE APPS
SAYING OH, WE TAKE THE SAFETY S
IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT
HAVE THEY DONE IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS FOR OUR SAFETY?
I DON'T THINK THEY TAKE THAT
INTO ACCOUNT REALLY. IT IS JUST
ABOUT THE MONEY. WE KNOW IT IS
JUST ABOUT THE MONEY. SO I'M
LOOKING AT THESE, YOU KNOW, THE
RIGHT OF ACTION. YOU WANT TO GI
THAT BECAUSE WE NEED HELP TO
TAKE THE STUFF TO COURT? YOU
KNOW, WE'RE NOT BIG CORPORATION
WITH A LOT OF MONEY. THINGS LIK
--
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY'RE ALL
BAD. THEY'RE ALL BAD. THEY GUT
IT. JUST VOTE NO. PUT SOMETHING
OF A DECENT BILL FORWARD TO THE
COUNCIL. DO NOT GIVE MARKETPLAC
APPS A PASS ON THIS. THERE MAY
HAVE BEEN SOMETHING IN TERMS AN
WHATNOT.
>> DANIELLE ALVARADO?
>> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL MEMBERS
DANIELLE ALVARADO, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF WORKING WASHINGTON.
ON BEHALF OF OUR ENTIRE
ORGANIZATION, I WANT TO EXPRESS
OUR APPRECIATION FOR THE
DILIGENT WORK THAT HAS GONE INT
THIS POLICY OVER THE PAST
SEVERAL MONTHS. THANK YOU TO OU
BILL SPONSORS WHO HAVE REMAINED
COMMITTED TO THIS POLICY AND TO
THE WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN AT TH
FOREFRONT OF THIS EFFORT FOR TH
LAST THREE YEARS. THANK YOU TO
THE WORKERS WHO HAVE SHOWN UP
TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO BRAVELY
SHARE THEIR STORIES IN THE
IMPACT OF DEACTIVATION ON THEIR
LIVES. I WANT TO GIVE AN
ACKNOWLEDGMENT TO THE THOUGHTFU
ENGAGEMENT OF TASK RABBIT AND
ROVER OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS
WHO HAVE ENGAGED IN DETAIL WITH
US TO UNDERSTAND WORKER
PRIORITIES AND TO COMMUNICATE
SOME OF THEIR NEEDS. WITH WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT POLICY AND WE COM
TO SPACES LIKE THIS, SOMETIMES
THESE CONVERSATIONS CAN GET
ABSTRACT. AND WHAT WE HAVE HEAR
TODAY EVEN AS RECENTLY AWE A FE
WEEKS AGO, WORKERS ARE LOSING
THEIR LIVELIHOODS RIGHT NOW. AN
WE WILL ALL BE BETTER OFF WHEN
IT IS IN EFFECT. WORKERS WILL B
ABLE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES.
CUSTOMERS WILL BE ABLE TO RELY
ON SKILLED PROVIDERS, AND MORE
MONEY WILL BE PROVIDED IN OUR
LOCAL ECONOMY. WE APPRECIATE TH
PROGRESS MADE TO STRENGTHEN THE
BILL, AND WE BELIEVE IT'S READY
WE URGE YOU TO DRAFT IT TO FULL
COUNCIL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO
ALL START BENEFITING FROM IT.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THAT
IS OUR LAST PERSON SIGNED UP TO
TESTIFY WHO IS PRESENT. WITH
THAT, WE WILL MOVE, CLOSE PUBLI
COMMENT AND MOVE INTO THE MEET
OF THE MEETING. WILL CLERK
PLEASE READ IN AGENDA ONE.
>> COUNCIL BILL 120580. RELATIN
TO APP-BASED WORKERS, WORKING I
SEATTLE, AMENDING SECTION
2.02.125 OF THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE, AND ADDING A NE
CHAPTER 8.40 TO THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND AS
MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO
CONSIDER THE REST OF TODAY'S
AMENDMENTS. I THINK THERE'S
EIGHT THAT WE STILL HAVE BEFORE
US. AND AT THE TERMINATION
COMPLETION OF VOTING ON THOSE
AMENDMENTS TO VOTE ON THE BILL,
FOR MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
AMENDMENTS. I BELIEVE 10A AND
10B ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE JUST
TO CONFIRM THAT, BUT WE'LL HAVE
CENTRAL STAFF SPEAK TO THAT. I
WANT TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS FOR
MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE AMENDMENT.
EACH AMENDMENT WILL BE PRESENTE
BY CENTRAL STAFF DESCRIBED, AND
THE SPEAKER CAN SPEAK TO EACH O
THE AMENDMENTS. THEN I'LL
REQUEST A MOTION AND A SECOND O
THE FIRST VERSION, AND WE WILL
PROCEED WITH VOTES. AND WITH
THAT, I THINK I'LL HAND IT OVER
TO COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF FOR
INTRODUCTIONS AND OTHER OPENING
COMMENTS TO GET US GOING.
>> GOOD MORNING COUNCIL MEMBERS
MY NAME IS JASMINE MARWAHA ON
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF.
>> I'M KARINA BULL, ON COUNCIL
CENTRAL STAFF. GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> ANY OPENING REMARKS TO GET U
ROLLING OR SHOULD WE JUST JUMP
IN? ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.
>> LET'S JUMP IN. THE FIRST
AMENDMENT FOR THE COMMITTEE'S
CONSIDERATION IS AMENDMENT 8B,
SPONSORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON.
>> I'M SORRY, KARINA.
>> I DO NEED TO GET THE BILL IN
FRONT OF ME. MY APOLOGIES. I
DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT OR ADD
CONFUSION TO THE PROCESS. SO I
WILL MOVE TO PUT COUNCIL MEMBER
120580 BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. MA
I HAVE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. SO COUNCIL BILL
120580 IS BEFORE US. AND NOW
LET'S MOVE INTO THE DESCRIPTION
OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT. THANK
YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR
THAT. BACK TO AMENDMENT 8B,
SPONSORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD
RELATE TO THE PART OF THE
ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES NETWORK
COMPANIES TO PROVIDE RECORDS
UPON NOTICE OF DEACTIVATION. AN
IT WOULD REVISE THE REQUIREMENT
TO ESTABLISH AN ACCEPTABLE
SYSTEM FOR WORKERS TO ACCESS
THEIR RECEIPTS. IT WOULD DO THI
BY LIMITING THE REQUIREMENT TO
NETWORK COMPANIES COVERED BY TH
MINIMUM PAYMENT ORDINANCE AND
REMOVE THE COVERAGE FOR THIS
REQUIREMENT BY NO LONGER
COVERING COMPANIES THAT ARE
REGULATED BY THE INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTOR PROTECTION ORDINANCE
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT COVERED BY
THE ORDINANCE, AND THEY ARE
COVERED FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF
OFFERS BY THE INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTOR PROTECTION ORDINANCE
BUT THAT ORDINANCE WOULD BE
REMOVED. THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED
TO COMPLY WITH THE OTHER ACCESS
TO RECORDS FOR THE REQUIREMENTS
AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A
REBUTTAL PRESUMPTION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIAT
THAT. ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS
BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION? NO
CLARIFYING COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET
THIS IN FRONT OF US. IS THERE A
MOTION FOR AMENDMENT 8B?
>> SO MOVED.
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED
AND SECONDED. TO ADOPT AMENDMEN
8B. COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON, WOUL
YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO AMENDMENT
8B?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS
A REQUEST FROM ROVER AND TASK
RABBIT. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT
MORE INFORMATION. IT SEEKS TO
RESOLVE CROSS REFERENCES THAT
ARE EITHER UNNECESSARY OR CREAT
AN UNINTENDED CONFLICTS BETWEEN
PIECES OF LEGISLATION. FOR
EXAMPLE, SECTION 8.37 REFERS TO
THE MINIMUM PAYMENT LEGISLATION
WHICH IS NOT APPLICABLE TO
MARKETPLACE NETWORK COMPANIES.
THIS AMENDMENT CLARIFIES ONLY
COMPANIES SUBJECT TO SECTION
8.37 WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REPOR
THIS INFORMATION. AND THE
REMOVAL OF THE REFERENCE TO
SECTION 14.34.060, THAT IS, THA
RELATES TO A BILL THAT WAS
PASSED IN 2021 RELATING TO
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR
PROVISIONS. IT IS ALREADY IN
EFFECT, SO ALL COMPANIES SUBJEC
TO THIS LAW ARE ALREADY REQUIRE
TO COMPLY AND CREATE A NEW
OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE THIS
INFORMATION VIA AN ACCEPTABLE
SYSTEM IS UNNECESSARY AND WAS
NOT CONTEMPLATED WHEN THE BILL
WAS PASSED. AS I SAID, I THINK
IN OUR LAST MEETING, I DO NOT
SEE THIS AS A CONFLICT. I THINK
IT IS MORE OF A COMPLIMENTARY.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGAIN, I
JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE. THIS
WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT WE
DISCUSSED IN OUR LAST MEETING.
THE AMENDMENT PREVIOUSLY HAS
BEEN DRAFTED. IT WAS LEGALLY
UNATTAINABLE BECAUSE IT HELD
COMPANIES TO A STANDARD THAT
THEY ARE NOT LEGALLY HELD TO IN
OUR PREVIOUS PIECE OF PAY UP
LEGISLATION, THE MARKETPLACE
COMPANIES, UNFORTUNATELY ARE NO
COVERED BY THAT LAW, SO WE
CANNOT RETROACTIVELY MAKE THEM
COVERED IN THIS LAW, WHERE WE
RESOLVED THAT CONFLICT THAT WAS
I THINK, A LEGAL PROBLEM WHILE
STILL UPHOLDING THE UNDERLINING
GOAL OF MAKING SURE THAT THESE,
THAT THERE IS THE ACCESSIBILITY
CONTEMPLATED BY THIS SECTION.
AND SO REALLY APPRECIATE THE
WORK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON
HAS DONE ON THIS AMENDMENT TO
GET IT TO A PLACE WHERE WE ARE
STILL SUPPORTING THE POLICY
INTENTIONS OF THE BILL. AND I
WILL BE VOTING YES. ARE THERE
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
LOOKING ONLINE TO SEE IF THERE
ARE ANY ONLINE COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE. WILL TH
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
ADOPTION OF AMENDMENT 8B.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> NO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> YES.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FOUR YES, ONE NO.
>> THANK YOU. THE MOTION
CARRIES. THE AMENDMENT IS
ADOPTED, AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO
THE NEXT AMENDMENT. AND THAT IS
AMENDMENTS 10A AND 10B.
>> 10A AND 10B ARE MUTUALLY
EXCLUSIVE AMENDMENTS TO THE
REQUIREMENT FOR NETWORK
COMPANIES TO AFFIRMATIVELY
PROVIDE THE OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS WITH RECORDS ON A
REGULAR BASIS. 10A IS SPONSORED
BY COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON. AND I
WOULD REVISE THIS REQUIREMENT A
FOLLOWS. IT WOULD REQUIRE
AFFIRMATIVE TRANSMITTAL RECORDS
TO OLS ON AT LEAST A YEARLY
BASIS. RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE
WOULD REQUIRE IT ON AT LEAST A
QUARTERLY BASIS. IT WOULD REMOV
THE REQUIREMENT FOR NETWORK
COMPANIES TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS
AS THEY ARE UPDATED. AND IT
WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE OLS
DIRECTORS AUTHORITY TO IDENTIFY
OTHER RECORDS FOR AUTOMATIC
TRANSMITTAL TO THE OFFICE. AND
AMENDMENT 10B IS SPONSORED BY
COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. AND THAT
AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE A DIFFEREN
TIMELINE FOR THE TRANSMITTAL OF
RECORDS. IT WOULD BE ON AT LEAS
A QUARTERLY BASIS UNTIL JULY 1
OF 2026. AND EVERY SIX MONTHS
THEREAFTER. IT ALSO WOULD REMOV
THE REQUIREMENT FOR NETWORK
COMPANIES TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTS
AS THEY ARE UPDATED. REQUIRING
RECORDS ON AT LEAST A QUARTERLY
BASIS UNTIL JULY 1 OF 2026 WOUL
TEMPORARILY PROVIDE OLS WITH
MORE FREQUENT INFORMATION TO
INFORM THEIR IMPLEMENTATION
REPORT THAT IS DUE TO COUNCIL,
NO LATER THAN SEPTEMBER 1 OF
2026. THIS IMPLEMENTATION REPOR
IS DUE ABOUT 10 MONTHS BEFORE
THE OLS WOULD TRANSITION FROM
ONLY ENFORCING THE PROCEDURE
REQUIREMENTS TO ENFORCING ALL O
THE SUBSTANTIVE REQUIREMENTS OF
THE ORDINANCE, SO IT IS INTENDE
TO HELP THE COUNCIL UNDERSTAND
THE IMPACT OF THE PROCEDURAL
PERFORMANCE AND WHAT IS
FINANCIALLY NECESSARY FOR A FUL
IMPLEMENTATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SINCE
THESE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
AMENDMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO GIV
BOTH OF THE SPONSORING COUNCIL
MEMBERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
ADDRESS THEM. COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON, WILL YOU PLEASE SPEAK T
10A?
>> I THINK WE ARE BASICALLY
SPLITTING HAIRS HERE A LITTLE
BIT. GETTING DOWN INTO THE
WEEDS, DEPENDING ON IF IT IS
QUARTERLY OR YEARLY. QUARTERLY
UNTIL AT LEAST A CERTAIN POINT.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO BATTLE THAT
ISSUE. I DO THINK REQUIRING
COMPANIES TO TURN OVER DATA DAY
AFTER DAY, WEEK AFTER WEEK WITH
EACH CHANGE IS BURDENSOME. BUT
AM GOING TO WITHDRAW THIS FOR
LACK OF SUFFICIENT SUPPORT AND
GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO THE
PRESENTATION ON 10B.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON. COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS?
>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER
HERBOLD. I DON'T COMPLETELY
AGREE WITH THE CHARACTERIZATION
THAT THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE
AMENDMENTS. I THINK THERE'S
COMPONENTS IN COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON'S UNDERLINING AMENDMENT
THAT WOULD REMAIN IF 10B
EVENTUALLY HUNG. BUT I'M NOT
GOING TO DEBATE HAT WITH
CENTRAL STAFF. I DO APPRECIATE
THE SPONSOR OF 10A WITHDRAWING
THEIR AMENDMENT IN FAVOR OF 10B
I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
HAVE THE QUARTERLY REPORTING
REQUIREMENT AS WAS ELUDED TO BY
TO INFORM THE IMPLEMENTATION
REPORT THAT'S GOING TO BE DUE A
THE END OF THE 18-MONTH PERIOD.
I DO THINK IT IS A REASONABLE
REQUEST THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM
OUR STAKE HOLDER WITH THE
PLATFORMS TO PIVOT TO A
DIFFERENT ONGOING REPORTING
STANDARD AND A REPORTING
STANDARD THAT IS MORE CONSISTEN
IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENT TO
THOSE UPDATES. AND A SIX-MONTH
STANDARD, I THINK IT IS A
REASONABLE WAY TO RESOLVE THIS
ISSUE. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'VE
PUT 10B FORWARD. I ASKED FOR TH
SUPPORT OF MY COLLEAGUES AND
ADOPTING 10B INTO THE UNDERLYIN
LEGISLATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
SPEAKING TO BOTH OF THOSE
AMENDMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER
LEWIS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION?
>> I MOVE 10B.
>> THANK YOU. I SECOND 10B.
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO LET'S
MOVE TO DISCUSSION OF 10B. ARE
THERE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, THAT
YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE?
>> NO THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. LOOKING TO SEE IF THER
ARE OTHERS EITHER ONLINE OR --
IN PERSON. NOT SEEING ANY. JUST
A FEW REMARKS FROM MYSELF. WE
UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOAL IS FOR
OLS TO BE REQUIRED TO REPORT TO
COUNCIL 18 MONTHS AFTER THE
EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE
THE CONCERN IS THE YEARLY
REPORTING WOULD NOT PROVIDE
ENOUGH DATA AND EVIDENCE FOR TH
REPORT. THE ANNUAL REPORTING
WILL SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE
ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ON THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS,
MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO
ENSURE COMPLIANCE, SO I
APPRECIATE THIS OTHER OPTION. I
WILL BE VOTING TO SUPPORT 10B.
BELIEVE IT'S A COMPROMISE
BETWEEN OLS'S NEEDS FOR
AFFIRMATIVE REPORTING FOR
ENFORCEMENT, AND THE PLATFORM'S
REQUEST FOR THE REPORTING
SCHEDULES AND DO SEE 10B AS YET
ANOTHER COMPROMISE APPROACH.
RETAINING THE DIRECTOR'S
DETERMINATION OF WHAT MATERIALS
ARE NECESSARY FOR THE
ENFORCEMENT OF THE ORDINANCES
THAT ARE IMPORTANT. I BELIEVE
THE SCHEDULE OF AFFIRMATIVE
PRODUCTION OF RECORDS WILL
SUPPORT BOTH RECORDS AND THE
PLATFORM COMPANIES. ANY CLOSING
REMARKS? SEEING NONE. MR. CLERK
CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
AMENDMENT 10B?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FIVE YES.
>> THANKS SO MUCH. NEXT UP IS
AMENDMENT 11, CENTRAL STAFF, CA
YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE AMENDMENT
11?
>> YES. AMENDMENT 11 WOULD
EXCLUDE MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANIES FROM THE REQUIREMENT
TO ESTABLISH AN ACCEPTABLE
SYSTEM FOR AT-BASED WORKERS TO
UNDERSTAND THEIR ELIGIBILITY TO
CHALLENGE A DEACTIVATION.
CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE REQUIRE
A WORKER HAVE A SUCCESSFUL
SYSTEM BE AN APP OR ONLINE
PORTAL TO ACCESS AN INFORMATION
THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THEIR COVERAGE LIKE
WHEN THEY'VE REACHED THAT 10%
THRESHOLD. SO IN PLACE OF
ESTABLISHING AN ACCEPTABLE
SYSTEM, THIS WOULD REQUIRE
MARKETPLACE NETWORK COMPANIES
PROVIDE SUCH INFORMATION VIA
E-MAIL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. BEFORE I
ASK THE SPONSOR FOR A MOTION, D
ANY COUNCIL MEMBER ES HAVE ANY
CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
AMENDMENT? NOT SEEING ANY. MAY
HAVE A MOTION?
>> I MOVE AMENDMENT 11.
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCIL
MEMBER NELSON, WOULD YOU LIKE T
SPEAK TO AMENDMENT 11?
>> SURE. THERE IS ANOTHER ROVER
AND TASK RABBIT REQUEST. AND I
HEARD THEM ON THIS LAST WEEK.
AND SO AMENDMENT 11 WILL SEEK T
RESOLVE AN ADDITIONAL CROSS
REFERENCE THAT WOULD CREATE THE
CONFLICT BETWEEN THIS
LEGISLATION AND THE PAY UP
LEGISLATION SECTION 8.37. IT
ALSO ENABLES THE MARKETPLACE
NETWORK COMPANIES TO COMPLY WIT
THE REQUIREMENTS TO ENABLE
AT-BASED WORKERS TO UNDERSTAND
THEIR ELIGIBILITY TO CHALLENGE
THE DEACTIVATION E-MAIL AS
OPPOSED TO THE SYSTEM. AND
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES BELIEVE
THAT E-MAIL IS THE IDEA METHOD
OF COMMUNICATION IN CASES OF
DEACTIVATION BECAUSE IT ENABLES
WORKERS TO MAINTAIN RECORDS OF
THEIR COMMUNICATION TO THE
COMPANY WITHOUT RELYING ON THEI
ABILITY TO LOG INTO THE SYSTEM,
AND THOSE RELEVANT TO
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR
PROVISIONS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY
TO INCLUDE. THIS LAW IS ALREADY
IN EFFECT, SO ALL COMPANIES
SUBJECT TO THE LAW ARE ALREADY
REQUIRED TO COMPLY IN CREATING
NEW OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE THIS
INFORMATION VIA ACCEPTABLE
SYSTEM IS UNNECESSARY AND WAS
NOT CONTEMPLATED WHEN THE BILL
WAS PASSED.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON. ARE THERE OTHER COMMENT
ON AMENDMENT 11? FROM COUNCIL
MEMBERS ONLINE OR WITH US TODAY
NOT SEEING ANY VIRTUAL HANDS OR
IN-PERSON HANDS. JUST WANT TO
SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT AMENDMENT
11. MARKETPLACE COMPANIES WERE
NOT REQUIRED BY THE MINIMUM PAY
STANDARDS TO MAKE THESE RECORDS
ACCEPTABLE BEFORE. THERE IS A
CROSS REFERENCE TO A BILL THAT
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES ARE NOT
HELD TO. SO THERE IS A LEGAL
ISSUE WITH SCOOPING IN THE
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES FOR A
REQUIREMENT ON ANOTHER PIECE OF
LEGISLATION THAT THEY'RE NOT
COVERED, AND WE SIMPLY CAN'T
HAVE THAT LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN
THE BILL. I UNDERSTAND THAT
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES HAVE
SPOKEN ABOUT THE CHALLENGES IN
CREATING AN ACCEPTABLE SYSTEM
VIA SMARTPHONE APP VIA WEB
PORTAL. THESE ARE CHALLENGES I'
STILL HOPEFUL THAT THE
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES CAN WORK
TO BUILD, BUT NEVERTHELESS EVEN
WITHOUT THESE SYSTEMS, THE
PARTICULAR COMPROMISE DOES NOT
DELAY, HINDER, OR IN ANY OTHER
WAY LIMIT THE DEACTIVATION
PROCEDURES AND RIGHTS FOR THE
APP-BASED WORKERS. SO FOR THAT
REASON, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING
IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT 11.
COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON, ANY
CLOSING COMMENTS?
>> NOPE, THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. WITH THAT, MR. CLERK,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> NO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> YES E.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FOUR IN SUPPORT, ONE NO.
>> THANK YOU. THE MOTION
CARRIES. THE AMENDMENT IS
ADOPTED. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE
NEXT AMENDMENT. NEXT UP IS
AMENDMENT 12. COUNCIL CENTRAL
STAFF. PLEASE DESCRIBE AMENDMEN
12.
>> AMENDMENT 12 IS SPONSORED BY
COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON, AND IT
WOULD REVISE NETWORK COMPANY
RECORDKEEPING REQUIREMENTS BY
REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT TO
RETAIN A COMPLIANCE FILE, WHICH
IS, AND I ITEMIZED THE LIST IN
THE ORDINANCE OF THE PARTICULAR
DOCUMENTS TO DOCUMENT THE
COMPLIANCE. IT ALSO WOULD REMOV
THE REBUTTAL PRESUMPTION THAT
CONSTITUTES A VIOLATION. IF THI
AMENDMENT WERE TO PASS, NETWORK
COMPANIES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
RETAIN RECORDS THAT DOCUMENT
COMPANIES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
RETAIN THOSE RECORDS FOR A
PERIOD OF THREE YEARS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY
COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A
CLARIFYING QUESTION OR COMMENT
ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT BEFORE WE
GET IT IN FRONT OF US? LOOKING
FOR VIRTUAL HANDS. NOT SEEING
ANY. NONE IN PERSON. COUNCIL
MEMBER NELSON, WOULD YOU LIKE T
MAKE A MOTION?
>> BEFORE THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO
SAY SOMETHING. THIS LEGISLATION
IS SUPPOSE TO BE ABOUT
PREVENTING UNWARRANTED
DEACTIVATIONS. AND DEMONSTRATIO
OF COMPLIANCE SHOULD BE RELATED
TO PREVENTS UNWARRANTED
DEACTIVATIONS. THAT'S WHY I PUT
THIS FORWARD AND PUSHING A LOT
OF REQUIREMENTS AROUND A
COMPLIANCE FILE. BUT I'M GOING
TO WITHDRAW THIS FOR LACK OF
SUFFICIENT SUPPORT.
>> THANK YOU. FOR SPEAKING TO
THE BASIS FOR THE AMENDMENT. I
APPRECIATE THE UNDERSTANDING
THAT YOU ARE INTENDING TO
WITHDRAW IT. AND WITH THAT, WE
WILL MOVE ON TO AMENDMENT 13.
COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF?
>> OKAY. AMENDMENT 13 IS
SPONSORED BY COUNCIL MEMBER
PEDERSEN, AND TO REMOVE THE
ABILITY OF ANY PERSON OR CLASS
OF PERSONS TO BRING A CIVIL
ACTION FOR VIOLATION OF CHAPTER
840, AND INSTEAD LIMIT IT TO AN
APP-BASED WORKERS OR CLASS OF
APP-BASED WORKERS. THIS
AMENDMENT WOULD PROVIDE AN
INJURY OR FROM ON BEHALF OF THE
AGREED WORKERS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND JUST
CHECKING TO SEE IF THERE ARE
CLARIFYING QUESTIONS BEFORE I
INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN
TO MAKE A MOTION? SEEING NONE.
COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN? WOULD
YOU LIKE TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD. I
MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENT 13 TO
COUNCIL BILL 120580.
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU, IT'S BEEN MOVED
AND SECONDED TO ADOPT AMENDMENT
13. COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN,
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD. I
APPRECIATE CENTRAL STAFF WALKIN
THROUGH THAT. AND COLLEAGUES, A
I UNDERSTAND IT. THIS
LEGISLATION PROVIDES THE CITY O
LABOR STANDARD AND POWERS FOR
THIS BRAND NEW LAW. WITH THE
SUBSTITUTE BILL AT THE PREVIOUS
COMMITTEE MEETING. CURRENTLY
WRITTEN, I'M CONCERNED THIS
PROVISION OPENING UP AT THE
PRIVATE RATE OF ACTION WOULD BE
ESSENTIALLY CONTRACTING OUT THE
ENFORCEMENT JOB DUTY AT THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS. I
PRESUME THE PRIVATE SECTOR
LAWYERS WOULD LOVE TO GIVE
ANYONE THE RIGHT TO HIRE THEM
AND SUE. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS
BREAKING NEW GROUND, I BELIEVE
WE SHOULD APPROPRIATELY TARGET
OR TAILOR THIS RIGHT TO THOSE
MOST AFFECTED BY THE MOST
RELEVANT TO EACH CASE. AND
RATHER THAN OPENING UP THE FLOO
GATES TO POTENTIALLY THE
FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT. ALL FOR
VIOLATION OF APP-BASED WORKERS
OR THE COLLECTIVE GROUP. THE
INTENT TO NARROW THE AGGRIEVED
PARTIES ABLE TO PURSUE THE CIVI
ACTION TO THOSE DIRECTLY
INVOLVED AS THE APP-BASED
WORKERS. THIS WOULD
APPROPRIATELY, SO YEAH, THAT
SUMMARIZES WHAT THIS IS DOING,
THANK YOU.
>> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?
>> LOOKING ONLINE. NOT SEEING
ANY VIRTUAL HANDS. NOT SEEING
ANYTHING.
>> MY HAND IS RAISED.
>> OH, COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON.
>> THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME,
COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN.
>> AND WHAT OTHER, NORMALLY DO
WE PROVIDE FOR THIS LANGUAGE TO
ENGAGE UPON THE PRIVATE RIGHT O
ACTION FOR THE OTHER PIECES OF
LEGISLATION THAT WE HAVE PASSED
>> AND IT IS WHAT'S MORE COMMON
IN THE LABOR STANDARDS CODE. AN
THE LANGUAGE, ANY PERSON OR
CLASS OF PERSONS IS TYPICALLY
WHAT IS IN OUR LABOR STANDARDS
CODE AS I WOULD LOOK BACK TO AL
THE LABOR STANDARDS BACK TO
MINIMUM WAGE AND THE PRIVATE
RIGHT OF WAY ACTION AND THAT
THEY WILL USE THAT PERSON.
>> I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT RIGHT
NOW. NOT AT THE MOMENT, I'M
SORRY.
>> I HEARD WHAT THEY SAID, SO
THEY HAD ME THERE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS? NOT SEEING ANY. AND
JUST ON MY PART, I WANT TO SHAR
THAT I DO SUPPORT THE
STANDARDIZED LANGUAGE THAT WE
WILL HAVE IN OUR OTHER LABOR
RIGHTS. THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE
READY TO ENFORCE THE BILLS FOR
THE POLICY AND THE RESOURCE ARE
DELIVERED AND MADE AVAILABLE AN
THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION
OPTION IS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE
IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS IS
DEALING WITH E RESOURCE
CHALLENGES MAKING IT DIFFICULT
TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE. AGAIN
THIS IS THE STANDARD LANGUAGE
THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN OUR OTHER
LABOR RIGHTS HERE IN SEATTLE, S
I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR O
THIS AMENDMENT.
>> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD. NO
I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MR. CLERK, CAN YO
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
AMENDMENT 13?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> NO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> YES.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> NO.
>> TWO YES, THREE NO.
>> MR. CHAIR?
>> THE MOTION FAILS, THE
AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MOVING ON TO AMENDMENT 14.
CAN YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE
AMENDMENT 14?
>> AMENDMENT 14 SPONSORED BY
COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON WOULD
REMOVE CERTAIN REFERENCES TO
WORDS THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIO
SUCH AS FAIR, REASONABLE,
REASONABLY, AND OBJECTIVE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S SEE
DO WE HAVE ANY HAD CLARIFYING
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF BEFORE I
INVITE COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON TO
SPEAK TO AMENDMENT 14?
>> I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR. CAN
YOU PLEASE ADD CENTRAL STAFF TO
REPEAT THAT SENTENCE?
>> COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF?
>> SURE.
>> SURE, YES, THIS AMENDMENT
WOULD REMOVE REFERENCES TO
CERTAIN WORDS THROUGHOUT THE
LEGISLATION SUCH AS FAIR,
REASONABLE, REASONABLY, AND
OBJECTIVE.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ALL RIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO
CLARIFYING COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE
MOTION?
>> I MOVE AMENDMENT 14.
>> THANK YOU, IS THERE A SECOND
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
PEDERSEN. THE AMENDMENT HAS BEE
MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCIL
MEMBER NELSON, WOULD YOU LIKE T
SPEAK TO AMENDMENT 14?
>> SURE. THIS IS MY AMENDMENT.
SO WORDS LIKE FAIR, UNFAIR,
ABHORRENT, WRONG, EGREGIOUS, AR
COMMONLY USED AS A PERSUASIVE
DEVICE TO ILLICIT CAMPAIGNS.
THIS IS A CAMPAIGN. BUT THEY
HAVE NO PLACE IN STATUTE BECAUS
THEY ARE INPRECISE, OPEN TO
INTERPRETATION, AND PURELY
OBJECTIVE. SO EXAMPLE FAIR TO
WHOM? THE WORKER, THE NETWORK
COMPANY, THE CUSTOMER, THE
PUPPY, ETC. SO THE VERY FACT WE
SPEND SO MUCH TIME DEFINING HOW
BAD CONDUCT HAS TO BE MAKES MY
POINT. I WOULD HAVE GONE AFTER
THAT WORD ITSELF, BUT IT WAS TO
EMBEDDED IN THIS LEGISLATION. I
LEFT A FEW INSTANCES OF
REASONABLE INTACT IN THERE WHEN
IT PROXIMATED ITS USE AS A LEGA
TERM OF ART. BUT FOR THE REST,
ASK THAT WE GET RID OF THE WORD
OF NEUTRALITY AND APPLICABILITY
IN THE LETTER OF THE LAW. AND
OPEN IT UP TO INTERPRETATION.
AND THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO
GET AT HERE.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON. ANY COMMENTS ABOUT
AMENDMENT 14 FROM COUNCIL
MEMBERS?
>> I'LL TAKE THE COMMENT.
>> THANK YOU, MOSQUEDA?
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NO
HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REWRIT
HISTORY OR HAVE AMNESIA ON HOW
LABOR STANDARDS ARE CREATED FRO
THE NATIONAL TO THE STATE AND
THE LOCAL LEVEL. WE TALK ABOUT
FAIR LABOR STANDARDS BECAUSE
WE'RE TRYING TO LEVEL THE
PLAYING FIELD. I ABSOLUTELY WIL
BE VOTING NO ON THIS. I DON'T
NEED TO ARGUE THE POINTS ABOUT
WHY, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE
I STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT
THERE IS CLEAR EXAMPLES OF WHER
FAIR IS OFTEN INCLUDED INCLUDIN
THE OTHER WORDS THAT ARE TRYING
TO BE INSTRUCT TODAY. CLEARLY
I'LL BE VOTING NO. BUT I WANTED
TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT THAT
THIS IS A STANDARD PRACTICE FOR
HOW WE SET FAIR LABOR STANDARDS
REPEATEDLY, LOCAL, STATE, AND
NATIONAL POLICY USES THESE
OFTEN, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT IS UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU S
MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? FROM
COUNCIL MEMBERS ONLINE OR IN
PERSON? AND JUST A FEW WORDS,
YOU KNOW, WORDS LIKE FAIR AND
REASONABLE MAY NOT HAVE A
SPECIFIC LEGAL DEFINITION, BUT
THEY DO HAVE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS
AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT
THESE CHANGES WOULD HAVE A
SERIES OF UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES BOTH FROM THE
PERSPECTIVE OF APP-BASED WORKER
AND THE PLATFORMS. FOR INSTANCE
AN AMENDMENT THAT CHANGES A
REQUIREMENT FOR NETWORK
COMPANIES TO REASONABLY BELIEVE
THE INFORMATION COULD COMPROMIS
THE CUSTOMER'S SAFETY IN ORDER
TO SUMMARIZE DEACTIVATION.
SIMPLY BELIEVING SO IS A CHANGE
THAT HAS AN ACTUAL IMPLICATION
SIMILARLY A REASONABLE TIME
PERIOD. WE WILL HAVE A VERY
DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION OF THE
COURTS FROM SIMPLY A TIME
PERIOD. AND AGAIN, THESE WORDS
FAIR AND REASONABLE HAVE
SIGNIFICANT LEGAL IMPLICATIONS.
AND GIVEN, AGAIN, THE FACT THIS
IS LANGUAGE THAT IS THROUGHOUT
OUR LABOR STANDARDS HERE IN THE
CITY OF SEATTLE, THE REMOVAL OF
WORDS WITH LEGAL IMPLICATIONS
LIKE THIS IN OUR LEGAL STANDARD
WILL NOT SERVE. I DO NOT BELIEV
THEY WILL SERVE ANYBODY. FOR
THAT REASON, I DO NOT INTEND TO
VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT
COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON, I SEE
YOUR HAND IS UP.
>> YEAH. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO
FIND, I MEAN SO FOR EXAMPLE IN
THE SECTION UNDER THE
DEFINITIONS, 020, I AM TRYING T
ALSO STRENGTHEN WHAT'S IN THERE
SO THE WORD UNFAIR IS NOT LISTE
IN THE STATEMENT, BUT I'M
GETTING RID OF THE UNFAIR IN
THIS DEFINITION. ENGAGING IN
UNFAIR IMMIGRATION RELATED
PRACTICES. WHAT IS A FAIR
IMMIGRATION RELATED PRACTICE?
AND SO THAT IS WHY I TOOK OUT
UNFAIR AND PUT IN RETALIATORY.
AND SO IT IS NOT JUST THAT I'M
TRYING TO GET RID OF THESErd
WHO, BUT I'M TRYING TO BE MORE
PRECISE.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCIL
MEMBER NELSON. ARE THERE ANY
OTHER ADDITIONAL EXCEPTS OR
QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. CAN
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
AMENDMENT 14?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> NO.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> ABSTAIN.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> NO.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> NO.
>> ONE YES, THREE NO, ONE
ABSTENTION.
>> THANK YOU, THE MOTION
CARRIES. THE MOTION IS DEFEATED
AND THE AMENDMENT IS NOT
ADOPTED. AND AS FAR AS THE LAST
AMENDMENT ON THE AGENDA,
AMENDMENT 15. JUST FOR THE
VIEWING PUBLIC AND COUNCIL
MEMBERS, WE HAD PREPARED AN
AMENDMENT 15 TODAY. COUNCIL
MEMBER LEWIS AND I ARE
WITHDRAWING IT FOR THE TIME
BEING. IT WAS INTENDED AS A
TECHNICAL AMENDMENT CLARIFYING
OLS'S ROLE IN ENFORCEMENT. IT I
AN AMENDMENT THAT IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO OLS, SO WE DO NEED
TO HAVE CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT IT. IT IS A NECESSARY
CLARIFICATION REQUESTED BY THE
OFFICE OF THE LABOR STANDARDS,
SO WE WILL BE CONTINUING THE
DISCUSSION AROUND THIS
AMENDMENT. THOUGH I KNOW IT'S
NOT THE PREFERRED PRACTICE OF
THE COUNCIL, I HAVE REACHED OUT
ALREADY TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT
JUAREZ'S OFFICE TO LET HER KNOW
WE'LL BE BRINGING A TECHNICAL
AMENDMENT FORWARD AT THE REQUES
OF OLS AFTER ENGAGING MORE WITH
THE STAKEHOLDERS AROUNDED NEED
OF THIS AMENDMENT. WELL WITH
THAT, WE HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH AL
OF THE AMENDMENTS BEFORE US
TODAY. REALLY APPRECIATE
EVERYBODY'S TIME. AND WE CAN NO
RETURN TO THE MAIN MOTION. ARE
THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON
COUNCIL BILL 120580 AS AMENDED?
COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE US
TO SPEAK TO THE FULLY AMENDED
BILL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NOW
VOTE ON THE FULLY AMENDED BILL,
JUST TO CLARIFY?
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> YES, OKAY, THANK YOU. WELL,
I'VE GOT SOME YES, SOME OVERALL
REMARKS IF YOU DON'T MIND?
>> THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
>> ALL RIGHT. HANK YOU, CHAIR
HERBOLD. SO COLLEAGUES, TO ADD
PROTECTIONS FOR OUR WORKERS IN
THE GIG ECONOMY, I VOTED YES FO
THE PAY LEGISLATION AND VOTED
YES FOR THE PAID SICK TIME
LEGISLATION. AND NOW WE HAVE
ANOTHER PIECE OF WELL INTENTION
LEGISLATION REQUESTED BY
ADVOCACY GROUPS LED BY A GROUP
CALLED WORKING WASHINGTON. THIS
BILL BEFORE US AIMS TO PROTECT
GIG WORKERS AGAINST UNREASONABL
DEACTIVATIONS BY THE TECHNOLOGY
APPLICATIONS THE WORKERS USE TO
CONNECT WITH CUSTOMERS. BECAUSE
THE SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL IS ONC
AGAIN PLUNGING INTO UNCHARTERED
TERRITORY WITH NEW AND UNTESTED
REGULATIONS OF OUR LOCAL ECONOM
AND SEVERAL LOCAL EMPLOYERS, I
WISH THE COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE
PASSED MANY MORE OF THESE
AMENDMENTS. BIT END OF THE
MONTH, THE CITY OF SEATTLE WILL
PASS SOME FORM OF THIS NEW
REGULATION. THEREFORE I BELIEVE
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REINFORCE THE
FACT WE ARE GOING FROM NOTHING
TO SOMETHING NEW. SO THE CLAIMS
THAT WE HEAR THAT AMENDMENTS AR
WATERING DOWN ANYTHING IS
MISLEADING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAV
ANY OF THESE REGULATIONS TODAY,
BUT WE WILL HAVE NEW
REGULATIONS. AND HOW WE
CAREFULLY CRAFT AND LAUNCH NEW
WIDE REACHING REGULATIONS
IDEALLY THE THIRD PIECE OF
LEGISLATION WOULD BE CONSISTENT
WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THE
STANDARDIZATION EARLIER. AND
LET'S MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH
THE PAY UP LEGISLATION. AND THA
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SET THEIR NE
LEGISLATION. BUT TO EXEMPT THE
MARKETPLACE NETWORK COMPANIES,
NARROWLY FAILED AT A PREVIOUS
COMMITTEE. AND I'M THANKFUL THA
MY COLLEAGUES VOTED FOR
AMENDMENT 2C, WHICH AMEND THE
DEFINITION OF EGREGIOUS
MISCONDUCT TO INCLUDE THE
ANIMALS, AND ADDING THE ACTS OF
ANIMAL CRUELTY. AND HOWEVER, AS
I STATED AT THE JUNE 27
COMMITTEE, PASSING AMENDMENT 5B
WHICH WOULD EXEMPT THE PET CARE
SERVICES AS THE UNIQUE BUSINESS
OPERATION WAS VITAL FOR ME IN
ORDER TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT TH
LARGER EXPERIENCE AND BECAUSE
THAT EXEMPTION WOULD HAVE
PROVIDED THE STRONGEST
PROJECTIONS AND ADDRESS THE
LEGITIMATE PRIVACY CONCERNS THA
WE HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PET
OWNERS AROUND THE CITY. THE
COMMITTEE ALSO REJECTED
AMENDMENT 7B, THAT WAS WITH, I
BELIEVE, REASONABLE AMENDMENT
THAT WOULD HAVE RETAINED THE
14-DAY NOTICE RULE, BUT ENABLED
COMPANIES TO, IF THEY NOTIFIED
THE WORKER OF THE PREVIOUS
VIOLATIONS, GIVEN A WARNING, IF
THERE WAS A NEW VIOLATION, THEN
THEY COULD HAVE DEACTIVATED
WHILE THE ISSUE WAS RESOLVED.
THE COMMITTEE ALSO JUST EJECTED
AMENDMENT 13, WHICH
APPROPRIATELY IN MY OPINION
TAILORED THE LEGAL ACTION
AVAILABLE THAT SUPPLEMENTS THE
WORK OF THE LABOR OF OFFICE
STANDARDS. REJECTING AMENDMENT
4. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE
CHANGED THE THRESHOLD FOR
APP-BASED WORKER COVERAGE WITHI
THE CITY OF SEATTLE TO A
PERCENTAGE LOWER THAN THE 50%,
WHICH IS NOW WHAT'S IN THE BILL
WHICH SEEMS HIGH TO ME. EXCUSE
ME, WHICH RETAINS IT AT 10%,
WHICH THE AMENDMENT WAS TO PUT
IT AT 50%, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEE
MORE REASONABLE. SO AGAIN, I
VOTED FOR THE PAY UP
COMPENSATION LEGISLATION WITH
PAID SICK TIME LEGISLATION, THA
I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO A YES ON
THIS. BUT BECAUSE WE DID NOT
EXEMPT THE MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANIES AND BECAUSE WE KEPT
THAT THRESHOLD AT THE LOW 10%.
THIS IS UNTESTED LEGISLATION ON
DEACTIVATION. I CANNOT SUPPORT
THE BILL TODAY IN ITS PRESENT
FORM, SO I WILL BE VOTING NO
TODAY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
PEDERSEN. OTHER COMMENTS ON THE
BILL?
>> I WILL BE ABSTAINING TODAY
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BOX
MYSELF IN AND THE FINAL
AMENDMENTS. AND WHEN WE WOULD
APPROVE THE SUBSTITUTE, THE
SUBSTITUTING INCLUDING THE
LANGUAGE THAT WOULD HAVE GONE,
THAT WOULD HAVE GONE FROM OLS
WON'T ENFORCE AND SHALL ENFORCE
THAT IS A BIG CHANGE AS WE DO
WANT TO FIND THAT FINE PRINT. I
ALSO HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE LAST WEEK. AND
ABOUT SOME THOUGHT ABOUT
CHANGING THE THRESHOLD. AND WIT
THE SEATTLE THRESHOLD. THE
EXECUTIVE SUPPORT OF EXCLUDING
THOSE COMPANIES FROM THE
LEGISLATION, SO I'M GOING TO
WAIT UNTIL THE FINAL VOTE BEFOR
STATING MY POSITION. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER
NELSON. ANY OTHER COMMENTS,
COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS?
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR
HERBOLD. I REALLY APPRECIATE TH
WORK OF THE COMMITTEE AND
COLLEAGUES AND PRESENTING A LOT
OF IDEAS TO STRENGTHEN AND
CLARIFY THIS LEGISLATION. WE
HAVE DONE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT
OF WORK IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
WEEKS THROUGHOUT JULY, SIFTING
THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
AMENDMENTS, REFINING SOME OF
THOSE AMENDMENTS TO REACH
CONSENSUS, NOT ONLY AMONG
OURSELVES, BUT THE STAKEHOLDERS
TO CREATE A STRONGER BILL, SO I
DO WANT TO EXPRESS MY
APPRECIATION FOR THAT. BUT THER
ARE A COUPLE OF OUTSTANDING
ISSUES THAT I DO WANT TO
CONTINUE TO WORK ON IN ADVANCE
OF A FINAL VOTE ON THIS
LEGISLATION. SO I VERY MUCH
RESPECT MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE
CHOOSING TO ABSTAIN AT THIS
POINT IN TIME TO SEE HOW THOSE
CONVERSATIONS CONTINUE TO
DEVELOP. I WILL, OF COURSE, BE
VOTING FOR THIS LEGISLATION
TODAY. I APPRECIATE THE
MODIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE
TO REALLY SEEK TO CREATE THE
BILL THAT IS BROADLY RESPECTED.
AND AMONG NOT JUST THE ADVOCATE
WE ARE WORKING ON. AND TO
DELIVER THESE KINDS OF SERVICES
WHO HAVE REASONABLE REQUEST FOR
ACCOMMODATIONS AND THE PLACES
THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN
IMMEDIATELY PARENT TO US AS
POLICYMAKERS, WHERE I THINK THA
PROCESS HAS BEEN FRUITFUL. AND
REALLY RESPECT THE GOOD
INTENTIONS OF EVERYBODY WHO HAS
BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS. AND I
WILL BE VOTING TO PASS THIS OUT
OF COMMITTEE, BUT THAT DOESN'T
END THE CONVERSATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL
MEMBER LEWIS? LOOKING TO SEE IF
THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
HANDS RAISED ONLINE. NOT SEEING
ANY. I THINK I'LL CLOSE US OUT
ITH A FEW COMMENTS
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS BILL
HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. TH
PAY UP PROTECTIONS HAVE ALWAYS
BEEN CONSIDERED TO BE A SWEET O
PROTECTIONS. I KNOW THERE ARE
OTHERS OUT THERE THAT THEY WON'
BE ABLE TO GET TO THIS YEAR, BU
THEY REALLY HAVE APPRECIATED TH
WORK OF THE WORKERS WHO HAVE
CONSISTENTLY SHOWN UP. AND HAVE
BEEN A STRONG, STRONG VOICE FOR
THE NEED OF THE LEGISLATION. WE
STARTED WORKING ON THESE BILLS
IN APRIL OF 2021. IT'S BEEN TWO
YEARS. AND AS WORKERS HAVE
STATED, THIS IS A VERY -- THESE
ARE VERY NECESSARY PROTECTIONS,
AND THIS INDUSTRY IS THE FASTES
GROWING SECTOR OF THE WORK
FORCE. FOLKS WHO ARE NOT
OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY OUR LABO
LAWS. COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN,
YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS LEGISLATION
IS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND AND IT
IS REALLY EXCITING THAT WE'RE
SETTING A NATIONAL STANDARD THA
SAYS SEATTLE CARES ABOUT ITS
WORKERS. AND WE'RE HERE TO
PROTECT ALL WORKERS IN THE CITY
WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE
BUILDING A SAFER, MORE
AFFORDABLE CITY FOR ALL. AND
REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK OF
COUNCIL MEMBERS, GETTING THROUG
ALL THE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU
VICE CHAIR LEWIS FOR
CO-SPONSORING THIS BILL AS WELL
AS THE MINIMUM COMPENSATION
BILL. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG
JOURNEY. THANK YOU AS WELL TO
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF JASMINE
MARWAHA AND KARINA BULL. AND MY
OWN STAFF PERSON, SUNNY NGUYEN.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE ALL
BEEN SO AVAILABLE PICKING UP OU
CALLS, ANSWERING YOU ARE E-MAIL
AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT FOR
THIS MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT AND
DEVELOPMENT OF LEGISLATION. I
ALSO WANT TO THANK THE
ENGAGEMENT OF THE APPS IN
DEVELOPING THIS LEGISLATION. IN
PARTICULAR I WANT TO THANK TASK
RABBIT AND ROVER FOR THEIR
ENGAGEMENT. AND REALLY HOPE THE
AGREE WE'VE GOTTEN TO A PLACE
WHERE WITH THIS BILL AND WITH
THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT
WE HAVE WORKED ON WITH THEM AND
DONE SO IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS
THEM TO PROTECT THEIR CLIENTS,
THEIR CUSTOMERS INTEREST AND
SAFETY. WE REALLY CONSIDERED TH
THOUGHTS THAT YOU HAVE PULLED
TOGETHER DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS
AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE
FLEXIBILITY AND ENGAGEMENT AS W
HAVE MODIFIED THESE VARIED
AMENDMENTS. WITH THAT, WE ARE
ALMOST AT THE FINISH LINE. AND
THAT WITH MY GRATITUDE TO
WORKERS WHO HAVE CALLED AND
E-MAILED TO SHARE YOUR DIFFICUL
STORIES. AND LOOK FORWARD TO
BRINGING THIS FORWARD IN FULL
COUNCIL. AND WILL THE CLERK
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL THAT THE
COUNCIL BILL 120580 PASS AS
AMENDED?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON?
>> ABSTAIN.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> NO.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> THREE YES, ONE NO, ONE
ABSTENTION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE POTIO
CARRIES. THE COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BILL
PASS AS AMENDED WILL MOVE ON TO
THE FULL COUNCIL MEETING ON
TUESDAY, AUGUST 1. THE NEXT
REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IS
SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, JULY 25.
AND IF COUNCIL MEMBERS,
COMMITTEE MEMBERS ANTICIPATE
BEING ABSENT FOR THAT MEETING,
PLEASE DO LET ME KNOW BEFORE WE
ADJOURN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER
COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES?
SEEING NONE, THE TIME IS 10:45
A.M. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THAN
YOU.