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-Homelessness
is a housing crisis.

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-Governor Inslee has big plans

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for the upcoming
legislative session,

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asking lawmakers to put

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a $4 billion housing measure
in front of voters.

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-It's a big lift
to get that through

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because that requires
a referendum.

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-Also on the agenda, a debate
over banning assault weapons

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and other gun-safety measures.

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-We know we're losing people.

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-Plus, how will lawmakers fix a
problematic drug-possession law?

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-There's just a lot
of untreated drug use.

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-As the busy
2023 session begins,

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what bills will likely
pass or fail?

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-Young people need more

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intensive support
than ever before.

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-Our panel of lawmakers
weighs in.

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-And also, I think
there's an acknowledgment

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that the war on drugs
didn't work.

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-A preview of the upcoming
legislative session,

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next on "City Inside Out."

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Welcome to this edition
of "City Inside Out."

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I'm your host, Brian Callanan.

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With the new year comes a new
state legislative session,

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where lawmakers will take on
several well-known challenges,

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ranging from public safety
and gun violence

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to homelessness and housing,
climate change,

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health care,
and education, too.

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But with several new faces
now representing Seattle

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at the state level, following
the November elections,

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it's less well known what impact

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those political newcomers
will have.

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This week, we're looking
at the priorities

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the city of Seattle
wants Olympia to focus on

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as we preview an action-packed,

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105-day state legislative
session ahead.

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As Washington's largest city,
Seattle has a major impact

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on policy decisions
at the state capitol.

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But the question now
for Mayor Bruce Harrell

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is how the November elections
will play out in Olympia.

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-So there's a lot of new faces
and new people.

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-With a number
of veteran lawmakers

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from Seattle area districts
deciding not to run again,

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voters picked several
political newcomers,

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making the city's annual task

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of setting
its state lobbying agenda

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that much more difficult.

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-We don't know the views
of a lot of the new legislators,

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and that will be a big factor.

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-Mayor Harrell is pushing
for many public-safety measures

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in the wake of a spike
in gun violence.

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-We have an
unprecedented opportunity

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to look at gun safety.

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As in years past,
he's asking the state

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to grant Seattle
and other cities

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the ability to pass their own
stricter gun laws.

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-Just giving cities
an opportunity

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to not be exempted
through state law

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and perhaps to impose
reasonable regulations

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to protect their cities.

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-Harrell is also supportive
of a plan

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to build a new system
of police academies statewide

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to get a bigger and more
diverse group of officers

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through the training
pipeline faster.

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But the mayor says
police officers

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are just part
of the public-safety picture.

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So he's also asking the state
for more flexibility

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on how the city spends
its real-estate excise taxes

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with an eye towards more
investments in mental health.

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-So we're hoping to use
some of that revenue to come up

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with more non-police
interactions to help people.

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-Mayor Harrell says, as Seattle
continues to work with Olympia

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on homeless encampments
around state highways,

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more wraparound services
like addiction treatment

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should be made available, too.

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-As the state cleans up
the right of ways,

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we want them to message
and nurture the same people.

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That's the same demographic,
and -- and I'm very optimistic

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that there will be funding
for this kind of work.

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-That issue of drug treatment
is also a priority

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for Senate majority floor
leader Jamie Pedersen,

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who serves on the Senate's
Law and Justice Committee.

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-The current system,
I don't think,

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is really making anybody happy.

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-The state Supreme Court's
Blake decision in 2021

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struck down Washington's
felony drug-possession law

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and the temporary fix
lawmakers made

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to recriminalize drug possession
as a misdemeanor

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will expire
July 1st of this year.

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But the system in place now,

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requiring mandatory diversion
to drug treatment

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on a person's first two arrests,

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gives law enforcement no way
to properly track offenders,

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and there aren't enough

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treatment services
available either.

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-There's no question
that we need to make

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dramatically more significant
investments in the system

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that can give people care
that they need

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because it's really
a health-care problem.

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It's not
a criminal-justice problem.

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-Pedersen, who's also working
on an assault-weapons ban,

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says, after a November election
where Democrats increased

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their majorities
in the state House and Senate,

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he's less open to a plan
from Republicans to roll back

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2021 police reform measures
like limits on car chases.

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-I think the voters have
delivered a verdict to us

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that they feel more threatened
by gun violence

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and would like us to address
public safety in that way

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than they do by the police
reform work that we did in 2021.

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-That's one of many priorities

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for Representative
Joe Fitzgibbon,

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the Democrat
from the 34th District

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who's taking on a new role
in Olympia.

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-As House majority leader.
I think I'll be

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dealing with a broader range
of issues.

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-The former chair of the House
Environment and Energy Committee

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is following through
on some big issues,

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like creating a more efficient
statewide recycling system,

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making it easier to build
clean-energy facilities,

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and figuring out
where to invest money

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that will come in this year
from the state's top polluters

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via the 2021
Climate Commitment Act.

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-We probably won't see as many

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of the sort of the big
headline-grabbing bills

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this year on climate
specifically,

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but the work is not done.

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-Fitzgibbon says there's also
plenty of work to do

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on housing and homelessness.

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-The root cause
of our homelessness crisis

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is a housing shortage.

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We just don't have enough homes.

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-Governor Inslee wants to
put a $4 billion bond measure

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for housing
in front of voters this year,

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which the legislature will have
to approve to put on the ballot.

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Fitzgibbon says
that may be a big lift.

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Seattle voters will face
a citywide measure

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on social housing in February

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and a proposal to increase
the Seattle housing levy

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in November, as needs
for all levels of housing

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continue to rise.

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-We really need
an all-of-the-above approach.

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We have to be putting a dent
in both market-rate

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and deeply subsidized units

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in order for them
not to cannibalize one another.

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-On top of all of those issues,

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the state is also trying
to implement

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the controversial Washington
Cares program for long-term care

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and properly fund
K-through-12 education

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amid falling enrollment numbers.

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It's a steep learning
curve ahead

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for some new
Seattle area lawmakers

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and the local leaders
hoping to influence them

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as a new legislative session
in Olympia gets underway.

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And joining me to discuss
a little bit more

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about what's happening
in Olympia,

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I have with me
Representative Nicole Macri,

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the Democrat
from the 43rd District

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from downtown up North --
Northeast Seattle.

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She's also a vice chair of the
House Appropriations Committee

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and the budget lead
for the Democrats in the House.

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Thank you very much
for being here, Nicole.

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-Thanks for having me, Brian.

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-And also we have with us
Senator Joe Nguyen,

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the Democrat from the 34th
District in White Center,

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West Seattle out to Vashon,
and new chair of the Senate

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Environment, Energy,
and Technology Committee.

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Good to have you, too, Joe.
-Thank you for having me.

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-Let's jump right into it,
and, Representative Macri,
I'll start with you.

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The legislature has one
of its long sessions ahead,

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meaning it'll craft a two-year
budget over a 105-day period.

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That's the plan.
The budget work is the main job

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of your Appropriations Committee
You're the Budget Lead.

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And I just want your thoughts

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on the governor's recent
budget proposal here.

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Are there major changes needed?
What are the big

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budget priorities
on the table right now?

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-Yeah, well, I was very glad

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to see
the governor's budget proposal.

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I think the governor's budget
draft really builds on the work

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that Democrats did last year
and the year before,

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as we were navigating
through the COVID pandemic,

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really looking to invest
in the communities

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who needed the state
support the most.

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We made historic investments
over the last two years

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in housing, behavioral health,
long-term care.

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And the governor sustains
a lot of that

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and doubles down on a lot of it.

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And we can see his priorities
in our health-care workforce,

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particularly
in behavioral health,

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and unprecedented investments

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in -- in housing
and homelessness.

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-And we're going to pull apart
some of those issues, too.

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But thank you for breaking
those pieces down.

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Senator Nguyen, I'll go to you.

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The governor wants to ramp up
spending by about 10%,

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pushing the budget
over the $70 billion mark.

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Some Republicans in the Senate,
and I know you know them --

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they're concerned
this isn't the right time

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to be spending more
with continued high inflation

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and a possible recession
on the horizon.

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I just want to make sure
I put that in perspective there.

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Some overall thoughts
on what you're focused on

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with the budget
as the session begins.

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-Yeah, no, and it's great to see
that proposal come out as well.

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What I will note is that
it's a little bit different

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in the legislature
versus Seattle or King County.

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We -- We don't generally adopt
what the governor proposes.

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And oftentimes there's gonna be
robust discussions

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associated with it,
so it's a great place for us

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to see kind of
how he's thinking.

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I know that we have
a lot of values

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that are very much aligned
in terms of affordability,

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in terms of mental-behavioral
health, in terms of climate

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and environment and stuff
like that as well.

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But -- But I will say, at least
in -- in the Senate side,

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you know, we are gonna be
mindful that the economy

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is not as strong
as we would like.

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We're very fortunate
that the forecasts

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and things have been going well.
We do have additional funds

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coming in from the Climate
Commitment Act, right?
-Yeah.

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-So we have to be thoughtful
in how we spend these funds

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and these resources
in partnership

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with our local jurisdictions,
even the federal government.

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-Yeah.
-But -- But expect some changes.

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Okay. All right. Good to know.
-Yeah.

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-And, Senator Nguyen, I want
to talk with you about the CCA,

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the Climate Commitment Act,
and this is a big part...
-Yeah. Yeah.

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-...of the work you're doing
on your committee there.

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So the CCA aims to
reduce greenhouse-gas
emissions in our state.

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I'll try to break
this down here.

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It actually sets a price
on those emissions

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that bigger businesses
will have to pay for

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through an emission-allowance
auction process.
-Yeah.

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-Walk us through the weeds here,
if you could here.

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How is this gonna work?
And please also touch on where

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the money that's coming in from
this -- where's that gonna go?

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-Yeah. So the high level
is that California, Quebec --

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other jurisdictions
already do this.

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So for us to decarbonize,
there's a couple of ways.

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Carbon credits is one

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which hasn't passed
in Washington state.

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What did pass was
the Climate Commitment Act,

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which is basically a cap
and invest program.

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It's a market-based solution
to help us decarbonize.

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And what's interesting is
that one actually had support

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from larger corporations

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who I think wanted
to do that anyways.

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It gives them a market mechanism
to decarbonize

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in a very thoughtful way.

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So we are gonna have
our first auction in February.

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California's been doing it.
Quebec has been doing it.

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We may link with them
in the future as well.

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So essentially, depending
on your -- your company

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or your business, you have to
decarbonize a certain amount.

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-Right.
-And you have offsets,

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you have credits, you can
mitigate some of those things,

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and if you choose
to do so voluntarily,

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you can then auction off
your excess credits

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to then raise funds to then pay

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for some of the work
that you're doing.

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So it's a market-based solution
to decarbonize.

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It's forcing us as a state
to reach carbon levels

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like half of what it is in 2017

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and be able to do that
in a thoughtful way that --

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that is actually supported by
the business community as well,

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which, candidly, haven't always
been on board

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with some of those efforts.
-Right.

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-And -- And what we're seeing
is that the -- the funds

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associated with it
will likely get to

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about $1 billion per year,

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which is fairly significant.
-Wow. Yeah.

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And where's that money going?
-Exactly.

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-Yeah.
-So that's -- that's
the biggest conversations

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that we're gonna have right now.
-Okay.

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-So largely decarbonization.

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There's strong provisions
in that proposal

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around climate justice
and equity.

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So you'll see a lot of funding
go towards communities

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that have been
historically impacted.

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So a lot of the work
that we're doing

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isn't just to set ourselves up
for the future.

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We're gonna actually
try to fix

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some of the things
from the past as well.

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So everything from
energy projects,

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sitings, facilities,
transmission,

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you know, electrification,
stuff like that.

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-Okay. Thank you.
A lot of different pieces there.

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-Yeah, yeah.
-I'm anxious to see what happens

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with that auction next month.

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Representative Macri,
I want to talk about the work

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you're doing on the Health Care
and Wellness Committee

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'cause you also work there
as well.

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When it comes to behavioral
health, of course,

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you're working with the Downtown
Emergency Service Center

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here downtown in Seattle.

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There's a lot of focus on this
in Seattle this year.

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The city's gonna be launching
some new 911 alternatives.

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It's happening in the early part
of this year,

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providing some social workers

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with the training that go out
to some of these lower acuity

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mental-health
and drug-treatment calls

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so police don't have
to go to them as much.

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I know this is something
you're very connected to.

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Can you talk to me about,
I guess,

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what's happening in Seattle
and also your top priorities

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when it comes
to behavioral health

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and public health this year?

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-Yeah, I'll say House Democrats
surveyed our caucus,

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and what -- there were
two issues that came out

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as sort of the top issues
that folks were hearing about.

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And don't forget, in the House,

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every single member
was out for election.

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And so a lot of conversations
happening with neighbors

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across the state.

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And the top two issues
were housing and homelessness

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and behavioral health,
and in behavioral health

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in particular,
concerns about crisis response,

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which, as you say, was a big
area of conversation...
-Yeah.

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-...during the city budget.
-Yeah.

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-And behavioral health supports
for kids --

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for children and youth.

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And so I think we'll see
a lot of focus on that.

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That certainly is gonna be
a focus

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in the Health Care
and Wellness Committee,

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but also in our
budget deliberations.

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So we were first
in the nation...
-Okay.

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-...to roll out the 988
crisis line...
-Right.

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-...suicide prevention and
crisis line in the country...
-Yeah.

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-...after some federal efforts
to get that going.
-Right.

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-And we will see work
led primarily

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by a Senator Manka Dhingra
and Representative Tina Orwall

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to build on the policy
that we've done in the past,

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which will, I think, align
really nicely with the efforts

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that both
King County and Seattle

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have been promoting over
the last couple of years.

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-Right.
-And then for our young people,

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we know, in our schools --
in our K-12 schools --

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that we need more support,
including in special ed,

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but in counseling and social
work for students.
-Yeah.

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-Any parent can tell you
the challenges

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of supporting kids right now
who are going to school.

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And then we have seen
that young people

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need more intensive support
than ever before.

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So we'll see investments kind of

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on that deeper end of
the behavioral-health spectrum.

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-Thank you,
and I want to shift a little bit

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from behavioral health
to addiction

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and dealing with some
of these issues...
-Yeah.

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-...specifically
with drug treatment,

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And I'm gonna try to segue as
best I can to the Blake decision

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that I know the legislature
is dealing with.

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So this is the state Supreme
Court case from 2021.

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Washington's felony drug
possession law was struck down.

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The legislature recriminalized
that as a misdemeanor.

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But there's this mandatory
diversion into drug treatment

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for the first two arrests.

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From both parties, I have heard
this is just not working.

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There's no way to track
offenders properly.
-That's right.

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-There aren't enough
treatment slots out there.

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What does a fix to Blake
look like?

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The temporary measures
the legislature passed

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expire in July of this year.

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So you're really up against it.
What's going on?

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-Yeah, so I think the good news
is that what --

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from what I can tell, everyone
on both sides of the aisle

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is interested in figuring out

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what the right
diversionary strategies are

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to get people
the help that they need.

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There will be a lot of debate
about the criminal charge --

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what's the right
criminal charge?

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As you know, the Supreme Court
invalidated

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the felony charge that we had

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in statute previously.
-Right. Right.

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-The legislature implemented
a misdemeanor charge,

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but as you say, with
a pre-arrest diversion.
-Right.

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-And so a lot
of the conversation

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leading up to session is sort of
what is the right

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criminal charge, and then
what is the right mechanism,

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the right sequence
for diversion.

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But I've heard no backing off
the fact

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that we need to make
more investment in communities

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across the state for that
addiction support.
-Yeah.

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-And as we see in Seattle,
the --

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the needs are changing, right?

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The -- The old style of
inpatient treatment...
-Right.

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-...is -- is maybe not
the best approach

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for the kinds of substance use.

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As we've seen,
fentanyl use is way up.

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-Oh, gosh, yes.
-Methamphetamine use is way up.

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And there is, of course,
this huge intersection

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with poverty and homelessness.

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And so there's not
a quick fix to it.
-No.

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-But I think we'll see

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new approaches.
-Yeah.

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-And in addition to the debate
on the criminal charge,

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what we have -- as you know,
the AG,

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the attorney general
has been working

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with other attorney generals
across the country

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on opioid settlement
resources...

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-Right making
those companies -- yeah.
-...so we have dollars

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coming in.

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The governor included them
in his budget.

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There will be a lot
of conversation.

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As -- As Joe said,
the governor's budget

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is a starting point
for our conversation

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in the legislature
about how those strategies work.
-Yeah.

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So I expect there's gonna be
a lot of intersection

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between our conversation
about the spending

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of opioid-settlement dollars

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and the best response to the
Blake Supreme Court decision.

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-Thank you. Very
comprehensive answer to
that, and I appreciate it.

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Joe?
-Yeah, and then it's
a little bit of context, too.

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That decision was made
halfway through a session,
so what we did was --

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-Right, you didn't have time
to respond to it, really.

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-It was very rushed,
and it was on purpose, right?

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-Yeah.
-So we wanted to be able
to revisit this right now,

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So that's -- that's correct,
and also, I think

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there's an acknowledgment that
the war on drugs didn't work,

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so we have to find
alternative ways to do this.

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And thankfully,
at least in Washington state,

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we have examples of what success
could look like --

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DOSA, the Drug Offenders
Sentencing Alternatives.

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There are ways for us
to actually alleviate

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the recidivism
associated with drug offenses,

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and there's mechanisms
to do it now.

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So this isn't so much
of a guessing game.

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It's how do we invest in the
right things that we know work

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for this
to actually play out well?

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So that's -- that's
the conversation.

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We're -- We're in a decent spot

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where -- where we know
how to fix it.

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It's obviously gonna be
very, very difficult,

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but there are strategies
that we have in place.

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-Yeah, I know. And I -- there's
a whole other conversation

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we could have about investing
and making sure that --

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that people are paid properly
for this work,

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'cause I know it's difficult
to have people --

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-Providers are the hardest ones.
-That's a big, big piece
of this too.

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-Absolutely right.
-Put that on hold for a second.

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-Yeah.
-'Cause I want to make
sure I cover some ground here.

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Senator Nguyen, I want
to stick with you and ask about

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another issue
law-enforcement officers

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have raised concerns about
with car chases.
-Yeah.

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-The legislature passed this
measure a couple of years ago,

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said officers have to have
a probable cause in most cases,

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not just reasonable suspicion,
to chase after a subject.

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Some officers say
they can't do their jobs.

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And I know there's a lot of back
and forth on this.

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-Yeah, yeah.
-Let me know about this.

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Republican lawmakers
are trying to bring back

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this reasonable-suspicion
standard.

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Do you support that?
What's going on?

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-Well, personally,
I don't, right?

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So I tend to be
fairly progressive

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in terms of what public safety
looks like.

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And everybody in their community
should feel safe, right?

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I think that's
the number one priority.

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How we do that might be a bit
different than other folks.

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-Yeah.
-So what's interesting is that,

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in that debate,
like you mentioned, we had

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some great conversations
with law-enforcement officials,

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We said, "This is basically
our practice anyways.

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We cancel 99.9% of pursuits

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'cause they're too dangerous,"
right?

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So -- So we -- we weren't
doing anything

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that wasn't already being done.

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We just kind of codified
policies that folks already had

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that cause some of the division.
-Yeah.

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-Obviously, that is a point of
contention right now

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that we're debating,
kind of figuring out what
that potentially looks like.

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Last year, our caucus
was candidly split.

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You can see the votes, right?

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So it's not -- I'm not
divulging anything.
-Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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-And then for us to actually
address some of the --

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the root causes of what people
are concerned about,

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I really think it's more
around recruiting

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and training and retention.
-Yeah. Yeah.

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Which I know is improving
this year with new academies

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around the state, yeah, so...
-Exactly.

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-So for -- for me, I think the
investment should be made

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thoughtfully, in a way where,
how do we get quality law
enforcement officials

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who can feel as if they belong
in their role,

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who aren't doing too much,

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who have access
to training facilities

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within their communities,
not just in -- in West --

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in Burien...
-Yeah.

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-...and can -- can be able
to get folks

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from all over the state, right?
-Yeah.

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-So right now,
it's very difficult.

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And even, candidly,
the -- the recruitment process

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had a bottleneck
that we had to fix, right?

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-Right.
-So -- so there's
all these things associated

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with the lack of resources
for law-enforcement officials

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in terms of their training
and recruitment.
-Yeah.

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-But I think if we solve
those problems,

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this might be different.

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-Okay, thank you, and --
and, Representative Macri,

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can I have you touch quickly
on the possibility

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of an assault-weapons ban?

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I talked about this
with Senator Pedersen.

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I know you've co-sponsored
measures like this before.

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You have, too, Joe.
-Yeah.

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-But is this the season --
this is the -- the session

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that this is gonna pass?
I know the Dems

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have higher majorities
in the Senate and the House.

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-Yeah, well, again,
I'll go back to House members

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being out
on the campaign trail.

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Gun-violence prevention
has been a top issue,

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and particularly given some
of the mass-shooting events,

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you know, again, unfortunately,
we've seen

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from around the country,
I think it does feel...
-Yeah.

00:21:02.834 --> 00:21:04.968 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-...like this
is the right session.

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We are really fortunate
to have a number of leaders

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in both the Senate
and House Democratic caucuses,

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along with the governor
who've been working on this.

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So I'm glad -- I'm glad
for the partnership

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with the attorney general,
and I -- and I -- I'm hopeful

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that we'll see progress.
-Thank you.

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-I'm gonna switch gears
to housing,

00:21:23.100 --> 00:21:25.100 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
and, Representative Macri,
start with you.

00:21:25.100 --> 00:21:27.400 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
$4 billion bond measure
the governor's talking about.

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Wants to put it on the ballot.

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I'm also thinking about this in
relation to what Seattle voters

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specifically are
considering this year,

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a social-housing
measure in February,

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the possible renewal

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of the Seattle housing
levy in the fall.

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Your -- Your colleague,
Representative Fitzgibbon,

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told me the governor's plan
for the housing levy here

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at least -- or this bond
measure -- is a big lift.

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Do you agree? Where are we
with this housing piece?

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-Yeah, it is definitely
a big lift.

00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.601 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
I really commend the governor
for putting that out there

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as the centerpiece
of his budget rollout

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that we have to go big on
housing in Washington State

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in all corners of the state.

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And so I think
that is the starting point

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for the conversation,
whether or not the bond measure,

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the -- the constitutional
amendment that we need

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for the -- for raising
the debt limit --

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whether or not that goes.

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I am -- it's not clear.

00:22:18.300 --> 00:22:20.300 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
I try not to read
the crystal ball

00:22:20.300 --> 00:22:22.834 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
of what's gonna happen during
session 'cause I have found out

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through experience that, when
I do, I'm almost always wrong.

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There's lots of twists
and turns...

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-These things happen, yeah.
-...during the legislative
session.

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But to start the conversation
that we have to go big

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on investments in housing
for the lowest income people

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in our state,
but also in making sure

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that we can create
an environment

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where all communities can
and should be building

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more housing for people
at every income level

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is really important, so I think
the capital budget investments

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go hand in hand
with the policies

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that we've been working on,

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including the middle-housing
policy

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to zone in a greater diversity
of housing,

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make it easier
to have permitting...
-Yeah.

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-...for new construction...
-Yeah.

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-...reduce parking requirements,
similar to as we've already done

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here in Seattle to reduce
the cost of new development.
-Yeah.

00:23:09.634 --> 00:23:12.467 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-So all of those things
go hand in hand, I think.

00:23:12.467 --> 00:23:14.400 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Senator Nugyen, just kind of
dovetailing on that,

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this bond measure is a big piece
on this.

00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:17.734 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Yeah.
-Missing middle housing --

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I know we talked about
that a lot last year.
-Yeah.

00:23:19.534 --> 00:23:20.834 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
Yeah, zoning's gonna be
a very big deal --

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being able to actually
have the developments

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we need to provide
affordable housing.

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And it's been interesting
because we're seeing

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some pretty strong
bipartisan support as well.

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We have kind of references
from California

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and other jurisdictions that
are, besides California,

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smaller that have
done something similar.

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So I think we can build upon
some of their work

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in a more thoughtful
way as well,

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to make it fit
for Washington state.

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It will be a tough lift,
but I do think

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it's one of those things where,
you know,

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we want to partner
with our local jurisdictions,

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but also have kind of a floor

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of how do we get
some affordable housing,

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And then obviously
they'll have the say as well.

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So that -- that
is the key part...
-Right.

00:23:53.868 --> 00:23:56.267 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
is anytime you mess
with local jurisdictions

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and their ability
to do something,

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it's always gonna be
a tough conversation.

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But this is such a critical area
that, I think,

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you know, we'll have to
have that conversation.

00:24:02.467 --> 00:24:03.901 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Yeah, there's a floor,
but we need a lot --

00:24:03.901 --> 00:24:05.467 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
we need to get closer
to the ceiling

00:24:05.467 --> 00:24:07.334 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
on all these communities,
that's for sure.
-Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

00:24:07.334 --> 00:24:08.701 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-I want to try to, if I could --

00:24:08.701 --> 00:24:10.400 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
Senator Nguyen,
I'll ask you here --

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a headline we haven't
talked about that --
that you're engaged in.

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I know there's a lot going on
in your district.

00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:15.567 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
Anything you want
to break down here?

00:24:15.567 --> 00:24:17.968 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Yeah. So, I mean, selfishly,
being the new chair

00:24:17.968 --> 00:24:19.767 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
of the Environment, Energy,
and Technology Committee,

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I think that is the future
for Washington State.

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So how do we address
our energy policies to ensure

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that we have sufficient amount
of energy for our residents

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so there's no blackouts,
but also decarbonize?

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So a lot of it's gonna be
very boring stuff, to be honest,

00:24:31.901 --> 00:24:34.267 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
implementing the really
good things that we've passed.

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So working through
the auction process,

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working through siting,
working transmissions,

00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:40.601 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
working through permitting,
so all things that are

00:24:40.601 --> 00:24:42.567 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
incredibly important, but
probably won't make headlines.

00:24:42.567 --> 00:24:44.767 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Improving recycling. I know
there's a ton going on, yeah.

00:24:44.767 --> 00:24:46.667 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Oh, that's probably can be the
biggest bill in the committee...
-Yeah.

00:24:46.667 --> 00:24:48.133 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-...is improving the recycling
the RAP Act.

00:24:48.133 --> 00:24:50.234 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Yeah.
-So how do we actually reduce

00:24:50.234 --> 00:24:51.868 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
the waste that we produce
as well?
-Yeah.

00:24:51.868 --> 00:24:54.534 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-So Washington state is --
Al Gore even mentioned this.

00:24:54.534 --> 00:24:56.834 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
I saw him down in San Francisco,
and he's usually doom and gloom,

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and he -- and he paused
for a second and said,

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"Except for Washington state.
They're doing great work."

00:25:00.601 --> 00:25:03.033 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
So if we're doing things that
makes Al Gore happy, I'm like,

00:25:03.033 --> 00:25:05.067 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
"Wow, that's --
that's a big step."

00:25:05.067 --> 00:25:06.801 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-All right. All right.
We'll see what happens there.

00:25:06.801 --> 00:25:08.834 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
Representative Macri, another
issue we haven't discussed

00:25:08.834 --> 00:25:10.267 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
you want to draw
some attention to?

00:25:10.267 --> 00:25:11.934 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Yeah, I would say
a couple things.

00:25:11.934 --> 00:25:14.734 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
One, and you and I have talked
about this in the past,

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is protections around
the big increases in rent.

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And so,
as we're looking to build

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the supply of housing
at all income levels,

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and especially at -- for people
who are low income,

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who are really struggling
to get affordable housing,

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we have renters,
and we're a majority-renter city

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here in Seattle,
who are struggling.

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So I have been working
with Representative Alex Ramel

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from the Anacortes-Bellingham
area

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on strategies around stopping
predatory rent increases.
-Yeah, yeah.

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-We've seen an increase
in exploitative rent increases.

00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:51.968 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
So we'll have...
-Are we talking rent control?

00:25:51.968 --> 00:25:54.033 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
I just want to make sure
I throw it out there.

00:25:54.033 --> 00:25:56.167 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-No, we're not talking
traditional rent control.

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We're talking about

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both giving the attorney general
some authority

00:26:01.767 --> 00:26:03.901 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
when we see predatory
practices...
-I see.

00:26:03.901 --> 00:26:06.100 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-...and considering renter --
protections for renters

00:26:06.100 --> 00:26:09.534 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
in similar ways we consider
protections for other consumers

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when there's predatory
business practices,

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and then looking
at the policy approaches

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like they've taken
in Oregon and California

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to stabilize rent
increases over time.

00:26:19.701 --> 00:26:21.868 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Okay.
-And the other big issue,

00:26:21.868 --> 00:26:24.767 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
you know, of course, is around
abortion access in our state.
-Yeah.

00:26:24.767 --> 00:26:28.934 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Washington state has been
a safe haven for people

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seeking abortion care, and there
is work that we need to do

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in the legislature this session
to ensure that we maintain

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and improve those protections
for patients.

00:26:38.434 --> 00:26:39.901 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Thank you very much.
We need to wrap up here.

00:26:39.901 --> 00:26:41.767 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
I can give you 30 seconds,
Senator Nguyen.

00:26:41.767 --> 00:26:43.934 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
Some final thoughts about what's
gonna come out of this session.

00:26:43.934 --> 00:26:46.133 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
You're dealing with a lot
of new lawmakers down there.
-Yeah, yeah.

00:26:46.133 --> 00:26:48.300 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-There's a lot to consider.
-Well, also, this is
the first year

00:26:48.300 --> 00:26:50.200 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
that we've been in person
for two sessions.

00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.167 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
This is the third session,
and it will be in-person, right?

00:26:52.167 --> 00:26:54.534 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
So I'm -- I'm just excited
to get down there...
-Right.

00:26:54.534 --> 00:26:56.334 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-...to meet with legislators,
to work with folks

00:26:56.334 --> 00:26:58.334 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
to make Washington state better,
candidly.

00:26:58.334 --> 00:27:01.133 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
I think we mentioned this before
in our conversations,

00:27:01.133 --> 00:27:03.033 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
but 95% of the bills
that we actually pass

00:27:03.033 --> 00:27:05.834 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
in Washington state
were bipartisan -- 95%.

00:27:05.834 --> 00:27:07.701 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Yeah.
-So we agree on a lot more

00:27:07.701 --> 00:27:09.934 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
than we disagree upon,
so we're lucky to be in Seattle.

00:27:09.934 --> 00:27:11.434 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
We're lucky to be in Washington
state, where we can lead

00:27:11.434 --> 00:27:13.300 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
on some of these issues
and do it thoughtfully.

00:27:13.300 --> 00:27:16.067 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Got it. Your last thoughts
here, Representative Macri?

00:27:16.067 --> 00:27:17.434 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Yeah, I agree.
I think we learned a lot

00:27:17.434 --> 00:27:19.934 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
through the pandemic
and how the legislative process

00:27:19.934 --> 00:27:23.534 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
can work in engaging the public
and constituents.

00:27:23.534 --> 00:27:26.100 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
And so this session will
be different than all others

00:27:26.100 --> 00:27:29.000 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
'cause it'll be the first one
where we're truly hybrid.

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So that allows us to have those
in-person connections

00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.901 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
that I really, really missed
during those remote sessions

00:27:35.901 --> 00:27:37.267 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
we had the last couple years,

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but also allow us to hear
from people across the state

00:27:41.234 --> 00:27:44.400 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
who can't get over the mountains
to get to Olympia...
-Sure.

00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.400 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-...to young people who are
incarcerated, who can testify

00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:51.634 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
so we can hear about
how the state is treating them

00:27:51.634 --> 00:27:53.634 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
and what policy improvements
we need to make.

00:27:53.634 --> 00:27:57.033 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
So I'm really excited
about this opportunity

00:27:57.033 --> 00:28:00.834 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
to kind of take the best
of both approaches

00:28:00.834 --> 00:28:02.934 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
to improve
our policymaking this session.

00:28:02.934 --> 00:28:04.601 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
-Thank you both very much.
-Thank you.

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-And we will be right back.

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♪♪

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What are people saying
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00:28:11.634 --> 00:28:14.467 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
about their priorities
for lawmakers in Olympia?

00:28:14.467 --> 00:28:16.334 align:middle line:00% position:50% size:90%
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Another person says...

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a debate over creating
social housing in Seattle.

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I-135 is on the ballot
in February.

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We deconstruct both sides
of this controversial measure

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next time on "City Inside Out."

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I hope you join us.

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