THE JULY 7, 2022 MEETING OF THE
SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC
ASSETS AND HOMELESSNESS
COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. I
AM CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.
HOUSE MEMBER MOSQEDA IS EXCUSE.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL?
>> [ ROLL CALL ]
>> COUNCILWOMAN MORALES LET US
KNOW SHE WOULD BE A LITTLE LATE
TODAY. THERE ARE THREE MEMBERS
PRESENT.
>> I WILL UPDATE THE RECORD
WHEN COUNCILMEMBER MORALES
JOINED US. AS THE CLERK
INDICATED, SHE DID INDICATE SHE
WOULD BE JOINING THE MEETING
LATER TODAY. IF THERE IS NO
OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE
ADOPTED. THE CHAIR REPORT. ONE
AGENDA ITEM TODAY FOR WHICH WE
HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM PARKS.
IT SHOULD NOT BE TOO LONG OF A
COMMITTEE MEETING. LOOKING
FORWARD TO THIS DISCUSSION
ABOUT MAGNUSON PARK AND THE
CONCESSION AGREEMENT. LET'S
MOVE. PUBLIC COMMENT TO GET TO
THAT ITEM OF BUSINESS. HOW
MANY FOLKS DO WE HAVE SIGNED UP
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
>> THERE ARE NO MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO COMMENT
TODAY.
>> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
COMMENT SECTION . ITEMS A
BUSINESS, WILL THE CLERK PLEASE
READ ITEM 1 INTO THE RECORD.
>> [ ITEM BEING READ ]
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A PANEL
JOINING US FROM PARKS HEADED BY
THE RECENTLY CONFIRMED
SUPERINTENDENT. THIS MAY BE
YOUR FIRST APPEARANCE AS THE
APPROVED SUPERINTENDENT.
WELCOME . IT IS GREAT TO HAVE
YOU HERE IN THE OFFICIAL
CAPACITY. WHY DON'T YOU GO
AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOUR PANEL.
WE ALSO HAVE TRACI RATZLIFF
FROM THE COUNCIL MEXICO STAFF
PRESENT. GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE
YOURSELF AND YOUR PANEL, AND
THEN FEEL FREE TO KICKOFF THE
PRESENTATION. WHY DO WE HOLD
QUESTIONS UNTIL THE CONCLUSION
OF YOUR PRESENTATION. I AM
LOOKING FORWARD INTO DIGGING
INTO THIS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD
MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM
JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, BRIAN
JUDD FROM SEATTLE PARKS AND
RECREATION, AS WELL AS SETH
MUIR, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF SAIL SAND POINT. SAIL SAND
POINT IS A GREAT PARTNER FOR
SEATTLE PARKS AND RECREATION
AND FOR THE CITY OF SEATTLE .
AS YOU KNOW, A BELOVED AND
CHERISHED CONCESSION THAT HAS
BEEN OPERATING AT MADISON PARK
SINCE THE LATE 1990S. THEY ARE
AN ANCHOR TENANT, A
LONG-STANDING AND AMONG THE
FIRST ORGANIZATIONS TO LOOK AT
MAGNUSON AND DEVELOP THE
PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS FOR
THE PARK. IT IS SUCH A UNIQUE
ASSET AND PROTECT IN PARKLAND
CHERISHED BY MANY. I WILL NOTE
THAT REOPENED OFFICIALLY THE
MAGNUSON COMMUNITY CENTER
YESTERDAY, WHICH WAS
LONG-AWAITED FOR THE COMMUNITY.
A SIGN OF MANY GOOD THINGS
HAPPENING AT THIS PARK. AS YOU
MAY KNOW, SAIL SAND POINT IS
WELL RESPECTED AND LOVED BY THE
COMMUNITY FOR THE SERVICES THEY
PROVIDE FOR SAILING, FOR
PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, FROM THE
VERY START. SAIL SAND POINT
HAS EXEMPLIFIED THE PARKS AND
RECREATION MISSION. THEY
PROVIDE ROBUST AND NUMEROUS
PUBLIC BENEFITS , WELL BEFORE
SUCH BENEFITS EVEN BECAME A
STAPLE OF ALL CONTRACTS AT
MAGNUSON PARK. PROUD TO REPORT
THEY ARE A GOOD PARTNER THAT
ALWAYS HAS AN I AND HOW THEY
CAN DO MORE AND LEAN INTO THE
MISSION AND HELP CHILDREN.
SETH MUIR IS THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, WHO WILL JOIN US FOR
THE PRESENTATION. HE WILL
PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE
ORGANIZATION, ITS MISSION, AND
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WILL ASK
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO LOOK AT
THE PROGRAM DELIVERABLES WITH
THE HOPE THAT YOU FEEL, AS WE
DO, THAT WE ARE MEETING PUBLIC
BENEFIT TO THE MAXIMUM WE CAN,
AND ALSO THAT WE ARE DOING WELL
IN REGIONAL AQUATICS FOR THE
COMMUNITY AND ALL THE TRAVEL
AND MOVEMENT THROUGHOUT THE
WASHINGTON. THIS UPDATED
CONCESSION AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU
REFLECTS THE CURRENT
OPERATIONAL FOOTPRINT ,
PROVIDES OPTIONS TO RENOVATE
KEY BARCODE FACILITIES TO
ENSURE THE PUBLIC CAN ACCESS
THEM FOR RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS,
AND EXPANDS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT
DELIVERABLES, ALIGNING WITH
CURRENT EXPECTATIONS OF ALL
PARTNERS IN THIS AREA. AGAIN,
YOU WILL GET MORE DETAIL ON
WHAT THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE
AND HOW THEY ARE HELPING THE
CITIZENS OF SEATTLE. AT THIS
TIME, I WILL HAND THE
PRESENTATION TO MY COLLEAGUE,
BRIAN JUDD.
>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. VERY
HAPPY TO BE HERE FOR THIS
PRESENTATION. JPEG, THANK YOU
FOR BRINGING UP THE POWERPOINT.
JUST RESTATING WHAT WE ARE
HERE TO DO, TO PROPOSE ENTERING
INTO A NEW AND UPDATED
CONCESSION AGREEMENT BETWEEN
SEATTLE PARKS AND RECREATION
AND SAIL SAND POINT. I WILL
ACTUALLY PIVOT TO SETH TO GIVE
HIM A CHANCE TO SHARE WITH
COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY SOME
BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT
THE PRESENCE AT MAGNUSON PARK.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, BRIAN,
THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE. AND THANK YOU
COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERING THIS.
SAIL SAND POINT IS A
501(C)(3) NONPROFIT . WE HAVE
BEEN OPERATING IN THE NORTH
SHORE SINCE 1998. IT IS
ACTUALLY OUR 25th BIRTHDAY THIS
YEAR. OUR MISSION IS, AS A
NONPROFIT, IS TO BRING THE JOY
AND LIFE ENHANCING BENEFITS OF
SAILING AND SMALL BOATS TO
PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, ABILITIES,
AND BACKGROUNDS. WE DO THAT
THROUGH MYRIAD TYPES OF
PROGRAMS. ORIGINALLY WE WERE
FOUNDED TO SERVE MOSTLY KIDS.
WE STILL SERVE ABOUT 70% OF THE
FOLKS WHO COME THROUGH THAT OUR
YOUTH. WE STARTED WITH SUMMER
CAMPS, AND WE HAVE ADULT
PROGRAMS, WE HAVE AN OPEN
BOATING AND RENTAL PROGRAM. WE
OFFER RACING , SUPPORT RACE
TEAMS FROM A NUMBER OF LOCAL
HIGH SCHOOLS AND THE UNIVERSITY
OF WASHINGTON. THEY ALL
PRACTICE AND COMPETE AT SAIL
SAND POINT. WE OFFER BOAT
STORAGE. PROBABLY THE THING
WE'RE MOST EXCITED ABOUT THAT
PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC
BENEFIT IS THE GROUPS PROGRAM.
WE OFFER 25 TWO DIFFERENT 30
PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SAIL SAND
POINT REALLY IS DIFFERENT THAN
ANY OTHER BOATING FACILITY IN
THE PUGET SOUND REGION IN THAT
WE ARE A COMMUNITY BOATING
CENTER. WE ARE NOT A YACHT
CLUB. WE ARE NOT A MEMBERSHIP
ORGANIZATION. IN SOME WAYS,
CENTER FOR WOODEN BOATS MAY BE
MOST SIMILAR AND THAT WE ARE IN
A PUBLIC SPACE, BUT SAIL SAND
POINT IS STRIVING TO PROVIDE
ACCESS TO A RESOURCE THAT MANY
SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO.
250,000 BOATS ARE REGISTERED IN
THE STATE OF WASHINGTON, BUT
ONLY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE
HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. WE REALLY
STRIVE TO BE ABOUT GETTING
ANYBODY ON THE WATER THAT HAS
INTEREST. WE DO THAT THROUGH
SCHOLARSHIPS, VOLUNTEERISM, LOW
COST DISCOUNTS, AND A MYRIAD
OTHER THINGS. IF YOU COULD
ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE. AS HAS BEEN STATED, WE
HAVE A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE AND HONOR
THAT. IT IS REALLY A PLEASURE
WORKING WITH BRIAN AND HIS TEAM
TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITIES, TO
ADDRESS ALL THE THINGS THAT
COME UP. WE HAVE 15,000 TO
16,000 PEOPLE A YEAR COMING
THROUGH OUR PROGRAMS. THAT MAKE
THIS A REALLY, REALLY LARGE
PLAYER IN THE REGIONAL FABRIC
OF BOATING OPPORTUNITY. SOME OF
OUR HIGHLIGHTED GROUPS THAT WE
PARTNER WITH OUR LOCAL . IN
FACT, TODAY THROUGH A NONPROFIT
CALLED KIDS AND PAPER , YOUTH
LIVING IN MERCY HOUSING RIGHT
IN THE PARK ARE COMING TO
PROGRAMS ON THE WATER. WE ALSO
PARTNER WITH OUTDOORS FOR ALL,
SEATTLE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL,
AND A NUMBER OF OTHER YOUTH
AGENCIES. WE FIND OFTEN YOUTH
WHO HAVE NOT HAD MUCH
OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON THE WATER
WILL HAVE MORE SUCCESS IF THEY
COME TOGETHER WITH PEERS COME
AND PERHAPS, AN ADVOCATE IN A
COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION. WE ARE
LOOKING FORWARD TO A LONG TERM
CONCESSION AGREEMENT WITH THE
CITY , BECAUSE WE HAVE
AMBITIOUS GOALS OF RENOVATION
AND REHABILITATION OF SOME OF
THE AREA . THIS LONG-TERM
AGREEMENT WILL HELP US
FACILITATE THE FUNDRAISING
NEEDED FOR THAT. AND BECAUSE
WE WANT TO CONTINUE EXPANDING
AND GROWING THE PUBLIC BENEFIT
AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY WE
HAVE BEEN PROVIDING FOR 25
YEARS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT
WAS A WONDERFUL FRAMING. NOW I
WILL PIVOT INTO THE
NITTY-GRITTY AROUND THE
AGREEMENT, AND THEN I WILL GIVE
IT BACK TO SETH AND A SLIDE
AROUND PUBLIC BENEFIT COMING UP
IN A MOMENT. FOR RIGHT NOW, ON
THE LEFT IS A MAP OF MAGNUSON
PARK, JUST TO CENTER EVERYBODY
ABOUT OUR WONDERFUL ASSETS. ON
THE RIGHT IS A SNAP OF THE
SECTION OF THE NORTH SHORE OF
THE PARK WHERE SAIL SAND POINT
CURRENTLY OPERATES . WE DO
ACTUALLY HAVE A CURRENT LEASE
AGREEMENT WE ARE OPERATING
FROM WITH SAIL SAND POINT. SOME
HISTORY ON THIS. SAIL SAND
POINT ENTERED INTO THE
AGREEMENT WITH A GROUP THAT WAS
CALLED THE BUILDING 11 LLC .
THIS IS A GROUP THAT NO LONGER
EXISTS. THEY WERE ONCE UNDER
CONTRACT WITH SEATTLE PARKS AND
RECREATION TO BRING HIGH
REVENUE TENANTS TO BUILDING 11.
WHEN THAT RELATIONSHIP
DISSOLVED, WE INHERITED THIS
AGREEMENT IN 2013. SOME OF THE
HIGH LEVEL TERMS ARE THAT THIS
AGREEMENT CURRENTLY EXTENDS OUT
TO 2059, AND SOME OF THE
LANGUAGE REALLY DOESN'T ALIGN
WITH WHAT WE TRY TO DO NOW WITH
THE LEGISLATIVE AGREEMENTS
WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC
BENEFIT LANGUAGE IS NOT AS
STRONG AS WE WOULD LIKE. IT
DOESN'T REFLECT THE FULL
OPERATIONAL FOOTPRINT OF SAIL
SAND POINT. IT DONNELSON ALSO
DOESN'T PROVIDE A REAL
INCENTIVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO
SOME FACILITIES THAT ARE
CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, NOT
PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE. WE WANT TO
EXPAND PUBLIC ACCESS TO THOSE
ASSETS. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD
TO WALKING THROUGH HOW WE ARE
IMPROVING ON THOSE THREE ITEMS,
AMONG SOME OTHER ITEMS AS WELL.
THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT WE
ARE PRESENTING TODAY , THIS IS
SOME OF THE HIGHER LEVEL DETAIL
HERE . IT IS A 15 YEAR INITIAL
TERM. THERE ARE TWO MUTUAL
EXTENSION OPTIONS, WHICH IS A
CHANGE FROM THE CURRENT
AGREEMENT. THE CURRENT
AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE OPERATING
UNDER, THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT
ARE FOR SAIL SAND POINT, AND
THIS AGREEMENT MAKES IT MUTUAL
WHERE WE COME TOGETHER AND
ASSESS ENTERING INTO THE
EXTENSION OPTION, WHICH
PROVIDES THE CITY A LITTLE
FLEXIBILITY. IN ADDITION TO
THAT, WE UPDATE THE PUBLIC
BENEFIT LANGUAGE AND INCLUDE
ANNUAL REPORTING. THE SAIL
SAND POINT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT
CAN ALIGN WITH THE EMERGING
SEATTLE PARKS AND RECREATION
NEEDS AND PARTNERSHIP
OPPORTUNITIES. THAT IS
SOMETHING WE ARE DOING FOR ALL
THE AGREEMENTS AT MAGNUSON PARK
THAT WE BRING TO COUNCILMEMBER
SAIL SAND POINT WILL ALSO
PROVIDE ANNUAL FUNDRAISING
REPORTS. I WILL MENTION THIS A
FEW TIMES. THERE ARE A PAIR OF
OUTDOOR RESTROOMS AND BUILDING
11 THAT ARE PUBLIC RESTROOMS
THAT SAIL SAND POINT IS THE
PRIMARY USER OF, PARTICULARLY
DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. THIS
AGREEMENT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE
THEM LEAD THE MAINTENANCE OF
THOSE, AND THEY WILL REMAIN
PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, BUT IT
WILL ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO
EXTEND OUR COMFORT STATION
MAINTENANCE A LITTLE BIT MORE
WITH THAT PARTNERSHIP. THAT IS
ALSO PART OF THE PUBLIC
BENEFIT. THIS IS A QUICK
ASPECT OF THE MAP THAT SHOWS
SAIL SAND POINT'S OPERATIONAL
FOOTPRINT IN THE NORTH SHORE.
IT ALSO OUTLINES SOME OF THE
AREAS WHERE THEY WILL HAVE SOME
IMPROVEMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT
OPPORTUNITIES . WE SEE A HAND
UP. SHOULD I PAUSE HERE?
>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS
QUESTION .
>> YOU ARE MUTATES.
>> I SAID PRETTY PROFOUND
THINGS, I HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT
IS SAID. I WAS ACTUALLY
FOCUSING IN ON THE NEXT SLIDE,
PAGE 9 ON THE PUBLIC BENEFITS.
I APOLOGIZE. I JUMP THE GUN.
>> LET'S GO BACK AND TAKE THOSE
QUESTIONS OUT OF ORDER. I HAVE
A FEW AS WELL.
>> ON PAGE 9 FOR THE PUBLIC
BENEFITS, THAT IS WHERE I AM
HAVING SOME QUESTIONS. I AM
GLAD TRACI RATZLIFF IS HERE,
BECAUSE SHE UNDERSTANDS HOW
THESE CONCESSION AGREEMENTS GO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO
DO THIS, MR. SHERRER . DO YOU
WANT YOUR GUESTS TO GO THROUGH
THE SLIDE, OR SHOULD WE TEE UP
THE QUESTIONS NOW?
>> WHY DON'T WE LET THEM
PRESENT ON SLIDE NINE, AND THEN
YOU CAN START THE QUESTIONING
HERE. I HAVE A FEW AS WELL.
>> OKAY.
>> I THINK THIS WILL BE THE
CRUX OF THE WHOLE DISCUSSION. I
APPRECIATE CUTTING TO THE CHASE
HERE. GO AHEAD AND GIVE AN
OVERVIEW, AND THEN I WILL TURN
IT TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR THE
FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS.
>> THAT SOUNDS GREAT. WE WILL
PIVOT ON THIS ONE. WE KNEW THIS
WOULD BE THE HIGH INTEREST
SLIDE OF THE PRESENTATION. IT
IS TO US AS WELL. THE ANNUAL
PUBLIC BENEFIT VALUE THAT WE
HAVE OUTLINED IN THE EXHIBIT IS
THAT SAIL SAND POINT WILL
DELIVER $100,000 IN PUBLIC
BENEFIT ANNUALLY , AS OUTLINED
IN THE EXHIBIT. THIS WILL
INCLUDE THE PUBLIC BATHROOM
MAINTENANCE I WAS REFERRING TO,
AND ALSO, THEY WANT TO BE A
PARTNER WITH US IN THE SWIM
SEATTLE INITIATIVE EMERGING
THIS YEAR. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT
THAT. I WAS HANDED OVER TO
SETH, BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO
COME PREPARED TO REALLY BRING
SOME DETAIL ON THE SLIDE AND
PROGRAM, PARTICULARLY HOW HIS
ORGANIZATION WILL SERVE
SANDPOINT RESIDENTS AND SEATTLE
PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS WITH
THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT
CLAUSE. TAKE IT AWAY.
>> SURE. I LOVE TALKING ABOUT
THIS STUFF, BECAUSE THIS IS WHY
I AM IN NONPROFITS IN THE FIRST
PLACE AND WHY IT IS SUCH A
PRIVILEGE TO BE IN A PUBLIC
PARK DOING THIS WORK. I THINK
IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT,
IN ADDITION TO THIS PUBLIC
BENEFIT, WE WILL BE DOING
FACILITY AND SITE IMPROVEMENT
WORK AS WELL. KEEPING THAT IN
MIND AS A SECOND VALUE ADD IS
AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS.
WITHIN THE SPECIFICS OF THIS
$100,000 WORTH OF PUBLIC
BENEFIT, WE ARE CONFIDENT IN
OUR ABILITY TO DO THIS BECAUSE
WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN . AS BRIAN
MENTIONED, OUR SERVICE TO THE
LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND HIGH
SCHOOLS, THESE ARE PARTNERSHIPS
THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT ARE
ONGOING, EVEN TODAY. SO
THROUGH OUR WORK WITH
INDIVIDUALS, WE ANTICIPATE
PROVIDING ONE QUARTER OF THIS
VALUE THROUGH SCHOLARSHIPS TO
INDIVIDUALS. SO $25,000 WORTH
OF THAT. WE FIND THAT THE
INDIVIDUALS COMING TO WAS COME
IN A WIDE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT
PROGRAMS. WE OFFER TWO OF EVERY
10 SPOTS WE HAVE THE PROGRAM
FOR SCHOLARSHIPS. IN THE
AGGREGATE, $25,000 WORTH OF
THOSE ARE GIVEN EACH YEAR. WE
WILL BE USING THE SAME PROCESS
FOR VALIDATING THE NEED THAT
SEATTLE PARKS AND REC USES TO
QUALIFY WHO IS GETTING THAT
SCHOLARSHIP, BUT WE KNOW,
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ALLOCATING
THAT EASILY EACH YEAR . THERE
IS THAT MUCH DEMAND THAT WE
WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT
MUCH VALUE. WE ARE PROPOSING
$20,000 ADDITIONALLY IN
SCHOLARSHIP VALUE FOR GROUPS.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE
GROUPS ARE PRIMARILY SOCIAL
SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS. MERCY
HOUSING IS A GROUP, BOYS AND
GIRLS CLUB CERTAIN HIGH SCHOOLS
COME AS A GROUP. WE
PARTICULARLY FOCUS OUTREACH ON
LOCAL AND TITLE I SCHOOLS.
THESE ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS
ALREADY PARTICIPATING.
>> WE HAVE INGRAM.
>> THANK YOU. MY JEWISH
ANCESTORS WOULD BE HORRIFIED .
BALLARD HIGH SCHOOL AND
SANDPOINT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE ALSO FOCUS A LOT OF OUTREACH
EARLY-SEASON AND PROGRAM
DEVELOPMENT ON TITLE I SCHOOLS.
OLYMPIC VIEW, NORTHGATE, JON
ROGERS. THAT IS A SAMPLING OF
THE SCHOOLS THAT WE
PARTICIPATE WITH. BEYOND THAT,
WE ARE ANTICIPATING ABOUT
$15,000 IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH
EVENTS. WE DO A WHOLE SERIES OF
THESE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
SALES, SEASON KICKOFF PARTY IS,
AND A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY
BARBECUES, WHICH WE, BASICALLY,
FEED EVERYONE AT. WE FOUND A
LOT OF THE SUCCESS IN GETTING
THE LOCAL KIDS, MANY OF WHOM
COME DOWN TO SWIM AT THE NORTH
END ANYWAY OFF OF THE BEACH, WE
FIND THE SUCCESS IN ENGAGING
THEM IN PROGRAMS AND BRINGING
THEM INTO OUR COMMUNITY IS A
BARBECUE. SO WE DO A LOT OF
THOSE. IN FACT, A COUPLE OF
LOCAL RESTAURANTS HAVE AGREED
TO HELP DONATE FOOD TO THOSE ,
IN REACHING OUR PARTNERSHIPS.
WE ANTICIPATE ABOUT $12,500 AND
VOLUNTEER SERVICE EVENTS . WE
DO A VOLUNTEER DAY EVERY WEEK.
AND THEN, A NUMBER OF GROUP
VOLUNTEER DAYS THROUGHOUT THE
YEAR, PARTICULARLY AT THE
BEGINNING AND END OF THE SEASON
WHERE 3 TO 4 DIFFERENT GROUPS
OF 10 TO 12 PEOPLE EACH TAKE ON
PROJECTS AROUND THE SITE. THEY
ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO,
NECESSARILY, SAIL SAND POINT'S
ASSETS. WE WILL DO EVERYTHING
FROM REMOVING BLACKBERRY TO
CUTTING BACK BRUSH TO MOSS
REMOVAL TO , UNDER THE
OVERSIGHT OF PARKS AND REC,
SMALL BUILDING REPAIRS , ET
CETERA. CERTAINLY, CLEANING
COBWEBS AND REMOVING SPIDERS IS
SOMETHING WE CAN DO ALL DAY,
EVERY DAY OUT AT MAGNUSON PARK.
WE WILL BE OFFERING $7500 IN
FREE OPEN BOATING PASSES. EVERY
YEAR WE GET REQUESTS FROM
NUMEROUS PARTNER GROUPS AND
OTHER SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES
THAT WANT TO PUT OPEN BOATING
PAYOUT PASSES, PERHAPS, ANY
FUNDRAISING AUCTION, OR ARE
REQUESTING THEM FOR ENRICHMENT
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR KIDS.
WE WILL BE DONATING A NUMBER OF
ADULTS PADDLING PASSES AND
SEASON PASSES TO OPEN BOATING
WITHIN THAT PROGRAM. I BELIEVE
THAT IS THE -- I'M SORRY, I
JUMPED INTO SCHOLARSHIPS AND
DID NOT MENTION THE PUBLIC
ACCESS PIECE AT THE TOP.
$20,000 IS THE VALUE OF MANY
OF THE ASSETS WE OFFER FREE OF
CHARGE. THE BATHROOMS WILL BE
INCLUDED IN THAT, AND ALL OF
THEIR MAINTENANCE. WE HAVE A
LIFEJACKET RENTAL PROGRAM. WE
WITH ABOUT 30 LIFEJACKETS. MANY
ARE ADOPTED AND BROUGHT HOME.
WE JUST PUT MORE OUT. WE HAVE A
FILTERED WATER SYSTEM. WE ALSO
-- WE ARE THE ONLY SAFETY
BOATS PATROLLING NORTH OF THE
SWIM BEACH . AND SO, IT IS
SORT OF DIFFICULT TO QUANTIFY
THAT VALUE, BUT IT IS
SIGNIFICANT. IF YOU ARE
ACCESSING THE WATER THROUGH THE
PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS IN
MAGNUSON PARK AND GO NORTH, IF
YOU GET IN TROUBLE, SAIL SAND
POINT IS YOUR BACKUP PLAN. WE
MONITOR THE WHOLE AREA WITH VHF
RADIOS . NUMEROUS TIMES DURING
THE YEAR, WE FISH OUT KAYAKERS,
KITE BOARDERS, WINDSURFERS, YOU
NAME IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE
PARTICIPANTS OF OUR PROGRAM,
OBVIOUSLY. IT IS OUR
RESPONSIBILITY IF WE ARE ON THE
WATER WITH OUR ASSETS TO MAKE
SURE EVERYBODY IS SAFE. WE
QUANTIFIED THAT VALUE AT ABOUT
$20,000 ACROSS THE YEAR,
TOTALING $100,000 OF PUBLIC
VALUE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE
I SHOULD TOUCH ON THAT I
NEGLECTED TO MENTION?
>> I THINK YOU WENT THROUGH THE
EXHIBIT IN DETAIL. WE ARE
READY FOR QUESTIONS.
>> JUST A QUICK FOLLOW-UP
QUESTION ABOUT THE ONLY BOAT
NORTH OF THE SWIM BEACH. MAYBE
SOMEONE FOR PARK AND JUMP IN ON
THIS, THAT I WILL HAND IT OVER
TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR
HER QUESTIONS. IS IT THE SAME
CERTIFICATION STANDARDS FOR
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING
AQUATIC SAFETY? WOULD
LIFEGUARDING BE THE APPROPRIATE
TERM TO APPLY TO THE WORK
THOSE FOLKS ARE DOING WITH
WATCHING THE WATER? WHAT ARE
THE CERTIFICATION STANDARDS
THAT PEOPLE NEED TO MEET?
>> SHALL I SPEAK TO THAT,
BRIAN?
>> YES. GO AHEAD.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, WE
HAVE CERTIFIED AQUATIC
LIFEGUARDS FOR BOTH THE POOL
AQUATIC PROGRAMS AND THE LAKE
PROGRAMS. THE LAKE REQUIREMENTS
TO BE A LIFEGUARD ARE MORE
STRINGENT , BECAUSE THEY
REQUIRE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF
RESCUE OPERATION , ABILITY TO
NAVIGATE LAKE WATER, ET CETERA.
SO THEY FALL UNDER OUR
EMPLOYEES THAT ARE STAFFED FOR
BEACHES AND POOLS ALL UNDER OUR
PURVIEW, BUT THEY HAVE SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT TRAINING
CERTIFICATIONS AND
REQUIREMENTS. IF YOU NEED TO
BE DEPLOYED TO WORK AT THE
LAKE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE
BIT MORE TRAINING. I DON'T KNOW
IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
>> THAT ESTABLISHES WHAT THE
PARKS AND REC LIFEGUARDS NEED
TO HAVE. HOW DOES THAT LINEUP
WITH WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE DOING?
>> SAIL SAND POINT IS A U.S.
SAILING COMMUNITY BOATING
CENTER. USA AILING IS THE
GOVERNING BODY OF SMALL BOAT
SAILING IN THE UNITED STATES.
EVERY PERSON WHO OPERATES A
POWERPOINT POWERBOAT AT SAIL
SAND POINT, WHICH IS THE
PRIMARY MEANS OF RESCUE.
LIFEGUARDS ONSHORE , FRANKLY,
AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET
TO SOMEBODY OUT IN THE MIDDLE
OF LAKE WASHINGTON WHO CAPSIZE
IS IN THEIR KAYAK. WE MONITOR
EVERYTHING WE CAN SEE FROM OUR
OPEN BOATING DESK. WE HAVE DOCK
MASTERS WITH BINOCULARS
MONITORING ALL OF OUR BOATS ON
THE WATER, AND THEN ANYONE WHO
HAPPENS TO SAIL THROUGH OUR
AREA. IN A RATIO OF 10 TO 1 WE
WILL ALSO HAVE A POWERBOAT FOR
EVERY 10 SMALL BOATS ON THE
WATER. WE HAVE A GROUP OF KIDS
SAILING ON THE WATER, WE HAVE
A POWERBOAT WITH A. THE
INSTRUCTORS ON THE POWERBOATS
HAVE TO BE AT LEAST U.S.
SAILING LEVEL 1 CERTIFIED. MANY
OF THEM ARE MORE. THEY HAVE TO
HAVE SAVE SPORT TRAINING, WHICH
IS SPECIFIC TO U.S. SAILING.
ADDITIONALLY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE
A WASHINGTON STATE BOATER CARD.
BEYOND THAT, WE DO OUR OWN
IN-HOUSE TRAININGS THAT ARE
SPECIFIC TO THE DIFFERENT BOATS
WE OPERATE. AS YOU CAN
IMAGINE, PERFORMING A RESCUE
FROM A POWERBOAT IS A DIFFERENT
SKILL SET THAN PERFORMING ONE
AS A LIFEGUARD.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT, YOUR
QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR MENTIONING THAT
PUBLIC BENEFITS HAS BEEN A
STAPLE IN THESE CONCESSION
AGREEMENTS. WHEN WE CHAIRED
THIS COMMITTEE PUBLIC ASSETS
BACK IN 2016, WE ACTUALLY
REVAMPED THE WHOLE PUBLIC
BENEFITS PIECE, AND A LOT OF
THESE CONCESSION AGREEMENTS
HAD NOT BEEN LOOKED AT SINCE
THE 70s. THEY JUST ROLLED THEM
OVER. SO LET'S START WITH THE
BASIC THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO
USE A PUBLIC ASSET FOR PRIVATE
PURPOSE AND OPEN IT TO THE
PUBLIC, THAT BENEFIT HAS TO
MATCH, OR EXCEED, BECAUSE
YOU'RE USING A PUBLIC ASSET.
BASICALLY, SEATTLE PROPERTY. I
WILL BE FRANK WITH YOU. I AM
UNDERWHELMED WITH PAGE 9,
BECAUSE EXAMPLES OF PUBLIC
BENEFIT, WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE
IS WHAT THE OLD CONCESSION
PUBLIC BENEFIT LOOKS LIKE AND
WHAT THE NEW ONE WILL BE. I
UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ANIMAL
REPORTING, AND THAT IS GREAT,
BUT A FREE PUBLIC BATHROOM
ACCESS, THERE IS NO $TO THAT.
OKAY, ACCESS TO FREE
LIFEJACKETS AND WETSUITS, OKAY.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS,
WHEN I LOOK AT PROGRAM
SCHOLARSHIPS , HOW MANY? WHO
ARE YOU TARGETING? WHAT IS YOUR
OUTREACH PLAN? IS EVERYTHING
JUST NORTH OF THE SHIP CANAL?
THESE ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS WE
PUT TWO GROUPS SOUTH OF THE
SHIP CANAL. WHAT IS YOUR
OUTREACH, AND WHAT IS YOUR
COMMITMENT TO ALL OF SEATTLE?
THE BOAT STORAGE DISCOUNT, IF
YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO
BOATING, AND IF WE GO THROUGH
THE LANGUAGE WE OFTEN USE WITH
LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES, AND
YOUR GOAL IS TO INTRODUCE THESE
TYPES OF ACTIVITIES TO
COMMUNITIES THAT NORMALLY WOULD
NOT HAVE IT, HOW IS THAT A
BENEFIT THAT THEY WILL HAVE 50%
OFF ON BOAT STORAGE? I DON'T
WANT TO VOTE NO, BUT I WILL
TELL YOU, I AM REALLY CONCERNED
THAT MY OTHER COLLEAGUES ARE
GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY,
EXAMPLES ? I NEED TO KNOW
OUTREACH, DELIVERABLES,
NUMBERS, AND WHAT YOU INTEND TO
DO DIFFERENTLY. IT DOES SAVE
MANY PUBLIC GEARED TOWARDS
SAND POINT RESIDENTS. THAT IS
WITH ALL THE CONCESSIONS. WE
HAVE TO MAKE SURE THOSE
BENEFITS ARE SPREAD CITYWIDE.
THEY NEVER USED TO DO THAT.
THEY USED TO JUST CONCENTRATE
ON THAT PARTICULAR
NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEREFORE,
ONLY THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD GOT THE PUBLIC
BENEFIT. WE TOOK A LOT OF FLAK
FOR THAT EARLY ON, MYSELF AND
JESUS, THE FORMER
SUPERINTENDENT. IT IS NOT
GRANULAR ENOUGH FOR ME FOR
PUBLIC BENEFITS. THERE ARE NO
DOLLAR SIGNS ATTACHED. I DON'T
SEE ADDING FREE LIFEJACKETS,
AND YOU GET TO USE THE
RESTROOM, AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT.
IT IS A PRIVILEGED TO USE A
PUBLIC ASSET. I KNOW THERE ARE
SOME OFFSETS, BUT THIS IS THE
POBLEM OF WHY WE CAN'T HOLD
CERTAIN GROUPS ACCOUNTABLE. I
DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT VERBALLY.
I NEED TO SEE IT ON PAPER.
GRANTED, I DID NOT, AND THIS IS
ON ME, I DID NOT READ THE WHOLE
CONCESSION AGREEMENT. NORMALLY,
THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD DO.
I'M STILL HAVING A HARD TIME
UNDERSTANDING . I KNOW YOU HAVE
THE COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC
BENEFITS, BUT I REALLY WANT TO
SEE THE PUBLIC IN BENEFITS. I
DON'T SEE THIS ON THE SLIDE,
QUITE FRANKLY. I WILL LEAVE IT
AT THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT
JUAREZ. WE HAVE MORE OF THE
GRANULAR DETAIL YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS IN
EXHIBIT B 1 THAT ACTUALLY
ANSWERS MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
I CAN HAVE BRIAN WALK US
THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
ALSO, WE CAN WORK WITH TRACI
TO GET A SIDE-BY-SIDE
COMPARISON OF THE OLD AND THE
NEW. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SPOT
ON. I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT
TOO ABOUT WHY WE PUT AN
EMPHASIS ON THE LOCAL
COMMUNITY. SINCE THE LAST
AGREEMENT , WE HAVE HAD SOME
CHANGES TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I ALSO DID
NOT ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK
COUNCILMEMBER ALEX PETERSON,
WHO HAS REALLY CHALLENGED US.
WE NOW HAVE PUBLIC HOUSING
DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF MAGNUSON.
SOMETIMES THAT COMMUNITY GROUP
WAS OVERLOOKED FOR OUR
PROGRAMMING OR WAS SEEN AS
UNAPPROACHABLE, ESPECIALLY FOR
A SPORT LIKE SAILING. SO WE
ASKED SAIL SAND POINT TO WORK
WITH THE RECREATION STAFF TO
LEAN INTO THAT COMMUNITY AND
TRY TO GET THOSE CHILDREN . BUT
YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS A REGIONAL
PARK. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO
ENSURE BENEFITS REACH CITYWIDE,
BUT I WANTED YOU TO KNOW, WHEN
WE ARE SAYING LOCAL, IT IS NOT
JUST THE TRADITIONAL MORE
AFFLUENT LOCAL AREAS, IT IS
ACTUALLY A FOCUS ON THE NEW
PUBLIC HOUSING. BRIAN, COULD
YOU ADD ANYMORE?
>> BEFORE YOU GO ONE MR.
CHAIR, MANDALA FOLLOW-UP? THANK
YOU. WHEN I LOOK AT SLIDE 4 AND
YOU BRING UP PARTNERSHIPS WITH
MERCY HOUSE AND SOLID BROWN,
ARE THESE PARTNERSHIPS? IS THAT
PART OF THE PUBLIC PEDORTHIC?
CAN YOU SAY, HEY, WE WORK WITH
MERCY HOUSE IN CHILDREN'S
HOSPITAL AND ALL THESE OTHER
GROUPS. THIS IS THE OUTREACH
WE DID. THIS IS WHAT WE GOT
BACK. THESE ARE HOW MANY KIDS
WE GOT ENROLLED. THIS IS PART
OF THE BIG ROLLOUT. IT JUST
SAYS PARTNERSHIPS. I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THAT MEANS. IT JUST HANGS
THERE. YOU SAY OVER $300,000
PUBLIC VALUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW
THAT COMPUTES . THAT IS THE
PIECE I NEED. IT IS GREAT.
AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH A LOT
OF ISSUES ON GETTING THE PUBLIC
INVOLVED , PARTICULARLY, IN
HEALTHY ACTIVITIES THAT OTHER
COMMUNITIES DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE
ACCESS TO. WE GET MORE
COMPLAINTS ABOUT PICKLE BALL
THEM PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT CHILDREN AND
HIGH SCHOOLERS HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT
GETTING ON THE WATER AND BEING
SAFE. I GUESS MY POINT IS, IT
IS NOT ENOUGH TO JUST HAVE A
BULLETPOINT . I DON'T EVEN WANT
TO GET TO GRANULAR AND GO
THROUGH IT LIKE A LAWYER, BUT
PAGE 9 REALLY SHOULD REFLECT,
WITH SOME NUMBERS, WHAT YOU
HAVE DONE AND WHAT YOU ARE
GOING TO DO IN ONE YEAR. THAT
IS WHAT WE ZERO IN ON. THAT IS
WHY WE REVAMPED ALL THOSE
CONCESSION AGREEMENT STARTING
IN 2016, BECAUSE WE LEARNED
THAT PEOPLE GOT USED TO ROLLING
THEM OVER AND SAYING IN A
COMMITTEE HEARING THAT WE ARE
GOING TO DO THIS AND THIS, AND
THEN WE NEVER KNEW THE NUMBERS.
WITHOUT CALLING OUT ANY
PARTICULAR GROUP, SOME GROUPS
DID BETTER THAN OTHERS, BECAUSE
THEY CONTROL THESE COMMUNITY
COUNCILS AND PUBLIC ASSETS FOR
THEIR COMMUNITY, AND WE NEVER
KNEW WHAT THE OUTREACH WAS.
THAT WAS ONE THING WE HAMMERED
ON WITH NHL. IF YOU'RE GOING
TO CREATE THIS PUBLIC BENEFIT
AND YOU WANT CHILDREN AND YOUNG
FOLKS TO LEARN ABOUT HOCKEY,
YOU NEED TO SHOW US YOUR PLAN
ABOUT HOW YOU WILL DO OUTREACH.
AND THEY DID. THEY MADE SURE
THAT YOUNG FOLKS, IMMIGRANT
KIDS, GET BEST BUST OVER TO
LEARN HOW TO SKATE AND GAVE US
THE NUMBERS ON HOW MUCH THEY
ARE DOING. THAT IS A PRIVATE
FACILITY. I WOULD AT LEAST
EXPECT, ON OUR OWN LAND WITH
HER OWN COMMUNITY, THAT THIS
SHOULD BE MUCH MORE ROBUST THAN
WHAT I AM LOOKING AT. I'M JUST
BEING HONEST WITH YOU SO WE CAN
MAKE THIS RIGHT. I'M NOT TRYING
TO BE MEAN OR RUDE OR TOO
CRITICAL. THAT AFTER LOOKING AT
THESE AGREEMENTS, THIS IS ONE
OF THE WEAKEST ONES I HAVE EVER
SEEN.
>> I HAVE TWO PARALLEL
THOUGHTS HERE. WHAT SETH
VERBALLY SPOKE TO IS ACTUALLY
IN EXHIBIT B 1 WHICH WILL BE
THE GUIDELINE FOR HOW WE ASSESS
SAIL SAND POINT ANNUALLY ON
ITS PUBLIC BENEFIT DELIVERABLES
AND PLANS FOR THE FUTURE. THIS
IS THE BENCHMARK WE WILL FOLLOW
. AND SO, THAT IS HOW WE ARE
DOING THE CONTINUOUS
IMPROVEMENT AROUND PUBLIC
BENEFIT FOR THIS CONTRACT, AND
SEVERAL OTHERS. THAT BEING
SAID, WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS
ON SLIDE NUMBERS THREE AND
FOUR, SETH, I WANT TO GIVE YOU
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT
YOUR EXISTING PARTNERSHIPS ,
THE $300,000 VALUE, TO ADDRESS
THOSE QUESTIONS. THE SLIDES
HERE ARE HIGH-LEVEL IN
REFERENCE TO THE GRANULAR
DETAIL OF THE CONTRACT. SETH, I
WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO TALK
ABOUT THOSE.
>> SURE. YOU KNOW, IT ONLY HAS
A BULLET ON SLIDE NINE, BUT THE
ANNUAL REPORT IS PRETTY
THOROUGH. IT IS SOMETHING THAT
CERTAINLY HAS EXISTED AS LONG
AS I HAVE BEEN WITH SAIL SAND
POINT, WHICH IS FIVE YEARS. I
FORGET HOW MANY PAGES IT IS,
BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE PAGES .
THEY EACH OUTLINE,
SPECIFICALLY, NOT ONLY THE PLAN
FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR, BUT
REPORTING ON WHAT IT WAS FOR
THE YEAR. THE WAY WE GET TO THE
VALUE OF THESE THINGS IS THE
FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR A PERSON
PARTICIPATING IN A PROGRAM, AND
THEN WE GIVE A FULL 100%
SCHOLARSHIP, LIKE WE DO, THAT
AMOUNT IS THE VALUE. . I
THINK THAT IS FAIRLY CLEAR. IF
WE HAD 10 PEOPLE IN A PROGRAM
THAT WAS $400 EACH, THAT WOULD
BE $4000 WORTH OF PUBLIC
BENEFIT. AS FAR AS THE OUTREACH
GOES, WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF
HAVING A VERY DIVERSE AND
NEEDY COMMUNITY RIGHT AT OUR
DOORSTEP THAT HAS NOT BEEN
ENGAGED PARTICULARLY WELL IN
AQUATICS. PARTICULARLY IN
VOTING. AND SO, WE LEAD WITH
OUR LOCAL PARTNERS, BUT WE
CERTAINLY HAVE, THROUGH
CONNECTIONS TO , FOR EXAMPLE,
THE YMCA, WE HAVE GROUPS COMING
FROM THE YMCA ALL OVER THE
PUGET SOUND. HOWEVER, WE FOUND
WE HAVE HAD A LOT MORE SUCCESS
ENGAGING IN MULTIPLE PROGRAMS
OVER MULTIPLE YEARS WITH THE
LOCAL GROUPS, PRIMARILY BECAUSE
OF TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES. I
WOULD LOVE TO SEE US ADDRESS
THAT, BUT I ALSO WOULD MAKE THE
CASE THAT IN CERTAIN PLACES, A
BETTER, MORE ROBUST PARTNERSHIP
IS GOING TO PRESENT MORE
NATURALLY WITH THE LOCAL
PARKS. AND SO, WE ARE REALLY
EXCITED ABOUT GETTING KIDS FROM
LAKE CITY , MERCY HOUSING, FROM
FARTHER NORTH AND SOUTH
SNOHOMISH COUNTY EVEN TO OUR
FACILITY. THIS IS THE ACCESS
POINT THAT THEY WILL BE GOING
TO VERSUS BRINGING FOLKS IN
FROM RAINIER BEACH OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT. WE DO HAVE VISIONS
OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, AS WE
EMERGE FROM COVID , TO DO EVEN
MORE EXPANSION AND BRING OUR
PROGRAMS TO OTHER PLACES, BUT
WE ADMIT, WE HAVE NOT HAD A TON
OF LUCK BUSING PEOPLE IN FRONT
SOUTH SEATTLE, FOR EXAMPLE,
VERSUS BRINGING OUR PROGRAMS TO
THEM. WITHIN THE ANNUAL
REPORTING PLAN, THERE IS A LOT
OF DETAIL.
>> IF I MAY FOLLOW UP, MR.
CHAIR.
>> YES.
>> LOOKING AT PAGE 4 , LET ME
REFINE MY QUESTIONS A LITTLE
BIT, I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS NOT
CLEAR. NORTH OF THE SHIP CANAL
ACCESS TO LAKE WASHINGTON IS
PRETTY MUCH THROUGH MAGNUSON
AND MATHIS BEACH. BECAUSE YOU
HAVE HOMES THERE , THERE IS ONE
TINY PIECE OF LAND THAT PEOPLE
FOUGHT OVER AND EMINENT DOMAIN
AND THE CITY TOOK IT OVER TO
HAVE ACCESS TO LAKE WASHINGTON.
THE PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT FOR THAT
LITTLE PIECE WERE NOT NORMALLY
PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE OUT
BOATING. IT WAS PEOPLE THAT
LIVE THERE AND HAD KAYAKS. IT
HAPPENED. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY,
WHETHER I AGREE IS ANOTHER
ISSUE. LOOKING AT PAGE 4, A
GOOD EXAMPLE IS THAT WE WORKED
WITH OUT TOWARDS FOR EIGHT
YEARS. WHEN THEY WANTED TO BUY
A BUILDING AND WORK WITH US ON
THE BUILDING, AND THE ASSET
PIECE, AND I FORGOT THE
DIRECTOR, I SHOULD KNOW HIS
NAME, HE IS RETIRING NOW.
>> JUST RETIRED. I WAS TALKING
TO HIM LAST NIGHT.
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT HIS
NAME. HE HAS BEEN A FRIEND FOR
EIGHT YEARS.
>> AND BRONSON.
>> I LOVE THAT HE WOULD COME TO
ME IS A, I NEED A PIECE OF
PAPER THAT TELLS ME EXACTLY
WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND WHAT THE
OUTREACH LOOKS LIKE. HE HAS
BEEN WORKING WITH THE DISABLED
COMMUNITY AND GOING OUT THERE
AND SEEING THE PUBLIC BENEFIT
AND THE DELIVERABLES AND COSTS.
ON PAGE 4, CAN YOU TELL ME,
WHEN YOU SAY PARTNERSHIPS, DO
YOU HAVE PARTNERSHIPS BUT IT
WOULD'VE BEEN NICE , IF I HAD A
SLIDE IN THIS WAS MY JOB, I
WOULD HAVE PAID FOR SAY
PARTNERSHIPS AND HAVE THEM ALL
LISTED. THAT I WAS A, THESE ARE
THE THINGS WE ARE PROVIDING,
THESE ARE THE COSTS, THIS IS
THE KIND OF OUTREACH WE HAVE
DONE AND PLAN TO DO, BECAUSE
THEN IT TELLS ME THERE IS A
PUBLIC BENEFIT. I'M NOT TRYING
TO GUESS FROM A POWERPOINT. TO
SEE WHAT I AM SAYING? I HAVE
EVERYTHING PRINTED OUT HERE.
YOU ARE REFERRING TO EXHIBIT B
, I HAVE A FLOOR PLAN, A
PROPERTY MAP, A SUMMARY FISCAL
NOTE. I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU
TELL YOUR STORY TO THE CITY OF
SEATTLE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
THIS CONCESSION AGREEMENT
AGREED TO, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC
BENEFIT WE PROVIDE REALLY IS
PUBLIC. AND IT MATCHES UP WITH
THE VALUE ADDED THAT WE ARE
GETTING TO USE YOUR PUBLIC
ASSET. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. DO
YOU HAVE ANY AGREEMENTS WITH
THESE GROUPS THAT YOU LISTED ON
PAGE 4?
>> I AM SORRY. I WAS WAITING
FOR BRIAN TO RESPOND. I AM NOT
CERTAIN -- YOU DON'T HAVE
EXHIBIT B 1 PUBLIC BENEFIT
DESCRIPTION?
>> I HAVE A PROPERTY MAP, A
FLOOR PLAN . NO, I DO NOT HAVE
THAT. IT IS NOT LISTED IN MY
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS EITHER,
UNLESS I AM MISSING SOMETHING.
THERE WAS A CONCESSION
AGREEMENT, SUMMARY IN FISCAL
NOTE, FLOOR PLAN, PROPERTY MAP,
AND THE PRESENTATION.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT JUAREZ, IF
I CAN DIRECT YOU, IN THE
CONCESSION AGREEMENT, EXHIBIT B
1 IS ON PAGE 43.
>> OKAY, I DID NOT PRINT OUT
THE 42 PAGE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE
IN PRESENTATIONS, MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU ARE
SUPPOSED TO CONDENSE FOR US IN
YOUR POWERPOINT WHAT IS
IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEE. I DID
NOT READ THE 42 PAGE CONCESSION
AGREEMENT OR ATTACHMENTS. SO
THAT IS NOT VERY HELPFUL.
>> IT IS PRETTY HARD TO FIND.
IT IS DEEP IN A 72 PAGE
DOCUMENT ON PAGE 41 . THE TOTAL
IS ITEMIZED FOR A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT ITEMS, BUT THE TOTAL
OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS
$100,000. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT
, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE
SCHOLARSHIPS, THAT HAS A
$25,000 VALUE, BUT IT IS BASED
ON THE AVERAGE REQUEST FROM THE
PREVIOUS FIVE YEARS. TO THE
POINT, YOU ARE BASING YOUR
FUTURE PUBLIC BENEFIT ON THE
AVERAGE OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE
IN THE PAST. I THINK THE
EMPHASIS THAT THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT IS MAKING IS THAT A
LOT OF THE WORK THAT SHE DID AS
CHAIR OF PARKS COMMITTEE IN THE
PAST HAS REALLY BEEN TO CHANGE
THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT THESE
PUBLIC BENEFIT AGREEMENTS AND
HAVE THEM BE MORE STRETCHED
DOCUMENTS. WE ARE NOT JUST
DOING WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE
PAST AND CALLING IT A PUBLIC
BENEFIT, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO BE
EFFECTIVE AT DOING MORE .
>> SURE.
>> I AM PULLING IT UP NOW. IF
I MAY SOMETHING QUICKLY IN
RESPONSE TO COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD.
>> OF COURSE, FOR THE AUDIENCE,
THAT WASN'T SOMEONE FROM THE
STAFF, THAT WAS COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD.
>> I AM PULLING IT UP NOW. I
THINK YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS,
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD. WE DID
THE SAME THING WHEN WE HAD TO
LOOK AT THE -- REDOING THE
CONTRACT AND CONCESSION AN
AGREEMENT WITH THE ZOO. WE HAD
17 AMENDMENTS AND THREE
HEARINGS, BECAUSE DISTRICT
REPRESENTATIVES AND CITYWIDE
REPRESENTATIVES, INCLUDING
DISTRICT 1 WAY OUT IN WEST
SEATTLE, HAD CONCERNS THAT
WOODLAND PARK ZOO , THE PUBLIC
BENEFITS PIECE WAS NOT ROBUST
ENOUGH. IT DIDN'T LIST OUT FOR
THEM AND WAS AN INCUMBENT ON
HERBOLD TO READ THE 60 PAGE
AGREEMENT TO FIND ON PAGE 19
THAT, YES INDEED, THERE ARE
FREE TICKETS FOR THIS. THAT IS
NOT OUR JOB. THAT WAS VERY
PAINFUL FOR DR. ALEJANDRA, BUT
HE WAS A GOOD SPORT AND CAME
BACK WITH HIS TEAM. WE FINALLY
GOT IT RIGHT. WE GOT THE
AMENDMENTS PAST. BUT WE HAD
MORE SCRUTINY ON THESE PUBLIC
BENEFITS. I WILL LEAVE IT AT
THAT AND PULL-UP -- WHAT PAGE?
>> PAGE 41.
>> THANK YOU.
>> 41 OF 72.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WE APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING
THE EXHIBIT WERE HANDY AND FOR
CONDENSING IT, NOT CONDENSING
IT AND HIGHLIGHTING MORE
THOROUGHLY IN THE POWERPOINT
PRESENTATION . THAT IS AN AREA
WE CAN IMPROVE ON. THE
FUNDAMENTAL CORE, I THINK OF
WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT . I
JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT,
YOU KNOW, YOUR POINTS ARE WELL
TAKEN. THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, ONCE
PAST, WE ARE GOING TO PUT ON
THE SHELF AND NOT LOOK AT.
CONTRACT COMPLIANCE,
ADMINISTRATION AND OVERSIGHT,
THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED
THROUGH THE ANNUAL REPORT IS
THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
EVALUATING THAT CONSTANTLY. NOT
JUST ONCE A YEAR, BECAUSE WE
ARE IN CLOSE PARTNERSHIP WITH
SAIL SAND POINT, AND THEIR
CLOSE TO OUR MAIN HEADQUARTERS
AND WE INTERACT A LOT. IF AT
ANY TIME THEY ARE NOT MEETING
A PUBLIC BENEFIT, IF THEY ARE
NOT LIVING UP TO THEIR PLAN, OR
WE WANTED TO ADJUST THEIR PLAN,
WE WILL NOT HESITATE TO CALL
THEM OUT. IF IT IS SUCH AN
AFFAIR THAT WE DON'T WANT TO
GET TO IT, BUT IF WE NEED TO
CALL A POTENTIAL CONTRACT THE
FALL WITH A TIME PERFORMANCE,
I HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING STAFF
DO THAT. AGAIN, THE OVERSIGHT
IS IMPORTANT TO WHAT YOU ARE
SAYING, BUT ALSO, YOUR SEMINOLE
POINTS ARE NOT LAWS. I KNOW
THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK DONE IN
THE CITY TO MAKE THESE
CONCESSION AGREEMENTS BETTER
FOR THE PUBLIC. I AM A BIG
PROPONENT OF THAT. I WANT YOU
TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE
CONTINUING TO ADDRESS THAT. IF
THEY ARE NOT MEETING THE NEEDS,
IF THEY ARE NOT REACHING OUT TO
THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT WE
TALKED ABOUT, THAN WE WILL
CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT. WE'RE
ALSO HAPPY TO PROVIDE
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AFTER
THIS MEETING TO ADDRESS WHAT
YOU WANT TO SAY, OR IF YOU FEEL
THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK , WE
CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
>> SUPERINTENDENT , I
APPRECIATE THOSE REMARKS, BUT I
THINK THE PREMISE OF THE LINES
OF QUESTIONING THAT ARE BEING
RAISED BY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT
NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT
FIDELITY TO THE PROFFERED
PUBLIC BENEFITS, IT IS WHETHER
THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS ROBUST
ENOUGH , OR WHETHER IT IS
EXPANSIVE ENOUGH. JUST TO JUMP
INTO THAT. NOW THAT WE ARE KIND
OF INTO THE EXHIBIT B 1
PORTION OF THIS , WHICH IS
BASICALLY, I SHOULD SAY FOR THE
VIEWING PUBLIC, SLIDE NINE IS
SORT OF A SUMMARY OF THAT. IN
EXAMINING THIS, I DO HAVE A
QUESTION, SPECIFICALLY , ON THE
SCHOLARSHIPS FOR INDIVIDUALS
PORTION OF THIS. IT INDICATES
$25,000 OR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT
IS GOING TO BE FOR THE PROGRAM
SCHOLARSHIPS. MY QUESTION IS,
I HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND I
SEE THAT IT WOULD BE 100%
COVERAGE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
SLOTS THAT REPRESENTS. IS IT
25, 50, 100? THESE ARE THE
KINDS OF QUESTIONS I AM
INTERESTED IN DIGGING INTO A
LITTLE BIT AS PART OF THIS
INQUIRY. I HAVE A FEW MORE
QUESTIONS FOR THIS ATTACHMENT.
I WANT TO START WITH THAT ONE
BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE MORE
COMPELLING PUBLIC BENEFITS. I
WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE
SCOPE AND EXTENT. IT LOOKS LIKE
THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAS A
FOLLOW-UP AS WELL.
>> I DO. A QUICK ONE. THANK YOU
SO MUCH. I APOLOGIZE FOR
INTERRUPTING YOU. I DIDN'T GET
AN ANSWER ABOUT PAGE 4 ON THE
PARTNERSHIPS. DOES SAIL SAND
POINT CURRENTLY HAVE
PARTNERSHIPS WITH THESE
GROUPS?
>> YES.
>> SO YOU HAVE A PARTNERSHIP
WITH MERCY HOUSING , AND IS IT
A STANDARD PARTNERSHIP THAT
REFLECTS --
>> IMMERSING HOUSING IS AN
INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP. OUR
PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TENANTS
IS NOT WITH MERCY HOUSING, IT'S
OUT. THE TENANTS AND THE KIDS
ATTEND SEVERAL DIFFERENT
ENRICHMENT OPPORTUNITIES ,
MOSTLY AFTER SCHOOL AND DURING
THE SUMMER. AND ON WEEKENDS.
THEY JOIN THE COMMUNITY CENTER,
WHICH REOPENED IN THE PARK.
THE OTHER, THEY PARTICIPATE
WITH KIDS AND PAPER, A
NONPROFIT THAT RUNS AFTERSCHOOL
PROGRAMMING. SAME KIDS. SOLID
GROUND ALSO DOES EDUCATION
ENRICHMENT PROGRAMS FOR THE
FAMILIES AND KIDS THAT LIVE
WITHIN THE PARK. OUR
PARTNERSHIPS ARE WITH SOLID
GROUND AND WITH KIDS AND PAPER.
THOSE ALL SERVE KIDS LIVING IN
MERCY HOUSING. BUT MERCY
HOUSING AS AN ORGANIZATION
DOESN'T DIRECT THEIR TENANTS TO
PROGRAMMING. THEY ALLOW THE
PARTNERS TO BUILD THOSE
RELATIONSHIPS.
>> SO YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING
ME THAT YOU HAVE CHILDREN FROM
THESE GROUPS PARTICIPATE
ANECDOTALLY IN THESE PROGRAMS.
THERE IS NOT A PIECE OF PAPER
PARTNERSHIP THIS IS, SAIL SAND
POINT HAS THIS AGREEMENT WITH
MERCY HOUSING, WHOMEVER, THAT
WE WANT TO DO OUTREACH TO GET
YOUR KIDS IN OUR PROGRAMS SO WE
CAN SHARE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
YOU ARE SAYING, WE KNOW FOR
FACT THESE KIDS ATTEND THESE
THINGS.
>> RESPECTIVELY, WE HAVE
CONTRACTS WITH EACH OF THE
GROUPS.
>> OKAY.
>> WE HAVE AN ENTIRE INTAKE
PROCESS. THERE IS A WHOLE
PARTICIPATE AGREEMENT. WE DO
PRE-AND POST-SURVEYS. THERE IS
A LITANY OF PAPER TRAIL ON
THESE PROGRAMS. THERE IS ONE
GOING ON RIGHT NOW .
>> I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU
FEEL LIKE THIS IS A SENATE
HEARING AND YOU NEED A PAPER
TRAIL. WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET
YOU TO SAY IS, TELL ME IF THERE
ARE PIECES OF PAPER THAT TELL
ME THERE ARE PARTNERSHIPS.
>> 100%. IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING
FOR 10 YEARS.
>> GREAT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
NICE TO KNOW THAT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT
TO GO BACK TO MY RELATED
QUESTION ABOUT THE PROGRAM
SCHOLARSHIPS. WE HAVE THE
DOLLAR AMOUNT. I AM CURIOUS
ABOUT THE NUMBER.
>> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK BACK.
WE HAVE A MASSIVE EXCEL
SPREADSHEET THAT SHARES EXACTLY
HOW MANY SLOTS IN EACH PROGRAM.
THE CHALLENGE FOR ME TO SPEAK
TO THAT OFF-THE-CUFF IS THAT
OUR PROGRAMS VARY TREMENDOUSLY.
THE SHORTEST PROGRAM IS A
TWO-HOUR INTRO TO PADDLE
BOARDING RANGING UP TO A TWO
WEEK LONG SIX HOURS A DAY
CAMP. AND SO, EACH OF THOSE
TYPES OF PROGRAMS HAS A
DIFFERENT COST. SO WHAT WE
OFFER SOMEBODY A SCHOLARSHIP TO
A TWO-HOUR INTRO TO PADDLE
BOARDING, THAT VALUE IS GOING
TO BE JUST A FRACTION OF WHAT
THE VALUE WOULD BE TO SOMEBODY
ATTENDING FOR FREE FOR A TO
FOUR-WEEK PROGRAM. SO YOU
KNOW, I CAN GIVE YOU NUMBERS
OF HOW MANY PEOPLE, BUT I WOULD
HAVE TO DO SOME CRUNCHING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW MANY ATTENDANCE
HOURS THAT HIS OVERALL. EVEN
IF I SAID HOW MANY PEOPLE, I
WOULD WANT TO QUALIFY THAT.
SOMEBODY COMING DOWN FOR A
TWO-HOUR PROGRAM , I CAN COUNT
THEM AS A PERSON, BUT THE
PERSON THAT COMES DOWN FOR TWO
WEEKS OF PROGRAMMING IS
CERTAINLY HAVING A MUCH LONGER
TENURE AND IMPACT IN THE
PROGRAM. TO SEE WHAT I MEAN? SO
WITHIN THE SPREADSHEET, I CAN
GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS OF
WHETHER IT IS 40 KIDS ATTENDING
CAMP OR 40 KIDS ATTENDING A 1
1/2 HOUR REFRESHER SESSION. AS
FAR AS MAKING THAT APPLES TO
APPLES, I NEED TO DO SOME
NUMBERS CRUNCHING OF OF HOW
MANY PARTICIPANT HOURS THAT IS.
>> TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT
NUMBER MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST
REPRESENTATION OF THE ENTIRE
PUBLIC BENEFIT. I DO THINK IT
WOULD BE A RELEVANT DATA POINT
FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL
IMPACT OF THE $25,000 IN TERMS
OF PEOPLE SERVED.
>> WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU
THAT. THE ANNUAL REPORT WE PUT
TOGETHER FROM 2022, BEARING IN
MIND THAT 2020 WAS A LOW
WATERMARK, 2021 AND 2022. WE
ARE NOW JUST ABOUT BACK TO
WHERE WE WERE 2019. WE
ANTICIPATE 2024 WE WILL BE BACK
TO 2019, WHICH IS THE HIGH
WATERMARK. THE ANNUAL REPORT WE
SUBMIT TO BRIAN HAVE
PAINSTAKING DETAIL WITH ALL THE
NUMBERS AROUND HOW MANY KIDS
IN EACH KIND OF PROGRAM, HOW
MANY ADULTS AND FAMILIES.
>> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR THAT. IF YOU COULD
SEND THOSE MY WAY, THAT WOULD
BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. TRACI,
YOU HAVE BEEN JUMPING UP AND
DOWN TO GET IN ON THIS.
>> JUST TO AMPLIFY THE REQUEST
. I AM PRESUMING YOU CAN
PROVIDE THE INFORMATION . I WAS
DOING SOME WEB RESEARCH AND SAW
THAT YOUR SCHOLARSHIPS FOR THIS
YEAR ARE ALREADY EXHAUSTED, AT
LEAST ACCORDING TO YOUR
WEBSITE. IF YOU HAVE SOME
SENSE, GIVEN THIS ISSUE ABOUT A
MAN, IF YOU HAVE A SAYS ABOUT
HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY
APPLIED THAT YOU HAD TO DENY
BECAUSE HE RAN OUT OF
SCHOLARSHIPS FOR THE YEAR, THAT
WOULD BE HELPFUL INFORMATION TO
THE EXTENT OF THAT YOU ARE
OFFERING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY
FOR THIS NUMBER OF
SCHOLARSHIPS, BUT WHAT WAS THE
DEMAND? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK
LIKE? IF YOU HAVE THAT
INFORMATION, THAT COULD BE
HELPFUL IN TERMS OF
UNDERSTANDING THE NEED, AS WELL
AS WHAT MIGHT BE DESIRED IN
TERMS OF MORE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
>> 100%. AND I RESPOND WITH AN
OVERVIEW? THERE HAS BEEN
INCREASED DEMAND, BUT I WILL
ALSO POINT OUT THAT SAIL SAND
POINT IS NOT GENERATING A
WHOLE LOT OF REVENUE. AT BEST,
WE HAVE BREAK IN EVEN THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS. WITH THIS
AGREEMENT, WE ARE EFFECTIVELY
DOUBLING OUR RENT. THE COST OF
DOING BUSINESS IS GOING UP
SIGNIFICANTLY AS WELL. WE HAVE
TO BALANCE OUR DESIRE TO DO AS
MUCH PUBLIC BENEFIT AS WE
POSSIBLY CAN WITH OUR NEED TO
CONDUCT BUSINESS AS A SMALL
BUSINESS IN A PLACE WHERE ALL
OF OUR SALARIES HAVE REQUIRED
SIGNIFICANT INCREASES OVER THE
PAST FEW YEARS, AND THE COST OF
DOING BUSINESS HAS GONE UP. WE
ANTICIPATED THERE WOULD BE, AS
I THINK ALL OF US SHARE , THE
DESIRE -- YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH
PUBLIC BENEFIT CAN WE POSSIBLY
DO? JUST AS SOMEBODY OPERATING
A BUSINESS, I DO HAVE TO
RECOGNIZE THAT EVERY SPOT WE
GIVE AWAY IS REVENUE WE CAN'T
GENERATE, AND WE HAVE TO
BALANCE THAT WITH BEING ABLE TO
STAY VIABLE AS A BUSINESS,
PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THIS
NEW AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL,
ESSENTIALLY, DECREASE OUR
OVERHEAD. AND THE NEED FOR US
TO SPEND MONEY ON FUNDRAISING
AS WELL TO MEET THE GOALS.
>> I DO THINK -- THE
EXPECTATIONS OF OUR CAPITAL
FUNDRAISING AND IMPROVEMENTS
YOU WILL DO TO THE FACILITIES .
I THINK THAT IS WORTH A FEW
MOMENTS TO DISCUSS WHAT YOU
ANTICIPATE WILL BE THE
IMPROVEMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS
YOU WILL BE MAKING TOWARDS
IMPROVEMENTS THAT OTHERWISE
WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY TO BE
FUNDING. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO
UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE IT IS
A COMMITMENT YOU ARE MAKING.
ANOTHER COMMITMENT HAS NOT BEEN
COMPLETELY SOLIDIFIED. I SEE
WHAT YOU HOPE TO DO, BUT IT
WILL BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT YOUR HOPE IS , AND YOUR
EXPECTATION.
>> IT IS ACTUALLY ON THE NEXT
SLIDE THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN
TO. THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE
PUBLIC BENEFIT, THE TENANT
IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE A KEY
PART OF THIS AGREEMENT AND THAT
THE CONCESSION WILL BE MAKING.
WE ARE LEAVING THAT BURDEN FROM
THE CITY, WHICH CAN BE VERY
COSTLY WITH ANY OPERATION
ALONG THE WATER. THAT POINT IS
WELL TAKEN AS WELL AND IS ALSO
PART OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT
PACKAGE. MR. CHAIR I CITY
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD HAS HER
HAND UP.
>> HAVING REVIEWED THE
PRESENTATION , THERE ARE A FEW
MORE THINGS WE WANT TO GET INTO
HERE. I WANT TO ASK
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD WHETHER
SHE WOULD BE OKAY WITH US
GETTING THROUGH TO THE END OF
THE PRESENTATION AND RESUMING
THE QUESTIONS. WOULD THAT BE
OKAY?
>> SURE.
>> OKAY, GREAT.
SUPERINTENDENT, GO AHEAD AND
FINISH THE PRESENTATION. I
HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL
FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AS WELL.
TAKE IT AWAY.
>> GREAT. MOVING TO SLIDE 10.
THANK YOU FOR QUEUING UP THE
CAPITAL AGREEMENT ASPECT OF
THE AGREEMENT. THIS HAS BEEN
THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF TRYING TO
ENTER INTO THIS NEW AGREEMENT
WITH SAIL SAND POINT. AS I
MENTIONED, THEY HAVE AN
EXISTING AGREEMENT WE ARE
OPERATING FROM TODAY THAT GOES
PRETTY WELL INTO THE FUTURE.
AND SO, ONE OF THE MAIN
MOTIVATORS FOR US TO BEGIN THIS
NEGOTIATION WAS THE OPPORTUNITY
AND DESIRE THAT SAIL SAND POINT
HAS TO RENOVATE A BOATHOUSE
LOCATED AT THE NORTH SHORE. THE
CONDITION, WE RECEIVED A AN
ASSESSMENT, MEANING THE PARKS
DEPARTMENT DID, IN LATE 2022.
THE PILINGS UNDERNEATH IN THE
WATER WERE WORSE THAN WE
THOUGHT. IT IS ACTUALLY
CURRENTLY NOT AN ACCESSIBLE
BUILDING BECAUSE OF ITS
CONDITION. SAIL SAND POINT HAS
A DEEP DESIRE TO RENOVATE THIS
AND TO EXTEND IT FOR PUBLIC
ACCESS AS A PART OF THEIR
OPERATION . THIS WOULD BE A
MAJOR BENEFIT AS PART OF THIS
CONTRACT. IN ADDITION, THERE IS
A ROOM IN BUILDING 11 THAT WE
CALL A WELD SHOP, IT IS ALSO
CALLED ROOM 160. IT IS LOCATED
WITHIN A SHORELINE AND
RESTRICTIONS OH. SAIL SAND
POINT WOULD LIKE TO RENOVATE
THAT TWO ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM
SPACE . WE ALSO HAVE A BUILDING
CALLED BUILDING 115, A LITTLE
SHED RIGHT BEHIND WHERE SAIL
SAND POINT'S OFFICES ARE. THEY
WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RENOVATE
THAT. IS CURRENTLY NOT
ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND
SO, ALONG WITH THIS REALLY
VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT PUBLIC
BENEFIT CONVERSATION, I DO WANT
TO UNDERSCORE THAT SAIL SAND
POINT IS LOOKING TO TAKE ON A
SIGNIFICANT COMMITMENT IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH US TO RENOVATE
CURRENTLY INACCESSIBLE SPACES
FOR PUBLIC USE ON PARK
PROPERTY. THAT IS A MAJOR
DRIVER FOR US WITH THE
AGREEMENT. SETH, DO YOU WANT
TO SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY
ABOUT YOUR PLANS AROUND THE
BOATHOUSE AND HOW DRIVEN YOU
ARE AROUND THIS PARTICULAR PART
OF IT?
>> SURE. I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU
KNOW, BUT IS A MAJOR DRIVER FOR
US SEEKING THIS AGREEMENT. IT
IS OUR INTEREST IN FUNDRAISING.
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY
PRIVATE FUNDERS ABOUT THEIR
NEED FOR US TO BE IN A
LONG-TERM AGREEMENT WITH THE
CITY BEFORE THEY WOULD EVEN
CONSIDER US FOR FUNDING. WE
ALREADY HAVE ABOUT $700,000
WORTH OF EARMARKED STATE AND
COUNTY MONEY FOR BUILDING 11
ROOM 160. AS SOON AS THIS
AGREEMENT IS FINALIZED, WE CAN
BEGIN THE PROCESS OF ACTIVATING
THAT. OUR INTENTION LONG-TERM
HAS BEEN TO RENOVATE AND
REDEVELOP BUILDING 31 AND
BUILDING 115. BUILDING 31 , THE
FOOTPRINT IS CENTRAL TO OUR
OPERATIONS. WE CURRENTLY ARE
NOT ABLE TO ACCESS CERTAIN
PARTS OF IT , AND THAT IS
DETRIMENTAL TO OUR OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE
THINGS TO OTHER PLACES, BUT WE
WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE
THIS DONE. WE HAVE ALREADY
SPENT SIGNIFICANT MONEY DOING
FEASIBILITY STUDIES . WE WENT
THROUGH MAJOR PROJECTS, GRANT
PROGRAMS WITH SPR IN 2018 TO
IDENTIFIED THE ROUGH SCOPE OF
THE BUILDING. WE ARE BROUGHT ON
A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN CONSULTING,
WHO HAS DONE A NUMBER OF
FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENTS OF OUR
COMMUNITY TO GET US TO THE
POINT WHERE LAUNCHING A CAPITAL
CAMPAIGN IS A REALITY FOR US.
KINDA PREDICATED ON LONG-TERM
ACCESS TO THE SPACE.
>> THANK YOU, SETH. LET'S GO
TO SLIDE 11 REALLY?. WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT A FEW OTHER THINGS
ABOUT THE AGREEMENT. IN
GENERAL, LOOKING TO STRENGTHEN
OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH SAIL SAND
POINT. WE TALKED ABOUT THE
PUBLIC BENEFIT EXHIBIT. THIS IS
AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE CURRENT
AGREEMENT WE INHERITED. I DO
WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE AN ECHO
WHAT AP SAID, THE PUBLIC
BENEFIT EXHIBIT IS A MENU BY
WHICH WE WILL GUIDE HER ANNUAL
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE
PUBLIC BENEFITS, WHAT ARE THE
PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT SAIL SAND
POINT WILL PROVIDE AN ANNUAL
BASIS. WE CAN SHIFT, WE CAN
CHANGE, WE CAN ASKED FOR MORE,
WE CAN ASK FOR A NEW PRIORITY.
IT REALLY IS A GUIDING
BENCHMARK, ONE THAT WE TAKE
VERY SERIOUSLY IN TERMS OF
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.
ANOTHER KEY COMPONENT IS AT
SAIL SAND POINT WE TALKED
ABOUT THE STORAGE A LITTLE BIT.
THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE
CURRENT AGREEMENT, AND THE NEW
AGREEMENT WE WILL BE
COLLECTING, MEANING THE PARKS
DEPARTMENT, 10% OF THE GROSS
REVENUE ANNUALLY AND THE
REPORT, SETH AND I TALKED LAST
WEEK, IN 2022, SAIL SAND POINT
BROUGHT IN $155,000, WHICH
MEANS WE WILL COLLECT $15,000
ANNUALLY , WHICH WE ARE NOT
RECEIVING TODAY AS PART OF THE
NEW AGREEMENT. THIS IS REALLY
ABOUT STRENGTHENING OUR ONGOING
RELATIONSHIP, ONE THAT WILL
EXIST FOR A WHILE. AND SO, I
WILL YIELD TO AP FOR FURTHER
QUESTIONS.
>> WE'RE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY. AS PROMISED,
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD WILL GO
FIRST.
>> THANKS SO MUCH. COUPLE
QUESTIONS . MORE BROADLY, I
APOLOGIZE, I PROBABLY ASKED
THIS EVERY TIME A PUBLIC
BENEFIT AGREEMENT COMES UP. THE
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE
CONTRACT HE CAN AFFORD GIVEN
THE BUSINESS MODEL REMINDED ME
OF THE FACT THAT IT IS STILL
NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW WE GO
ABOUT CREATING A TARGET NUMBER
OF DOLLARS FOR A PUBLIC
BENEFIT. IF YOU INCLUDE THE
INVESTMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH
THE SITE AND FACILITY
IMPROVEMENTS, THAT IS ANOTHER
1.5 MILLION DOLLARS, SO WE'RE
LOOKING AT -- I'M SORRY, 1.5
MILLION PLUS $100,000. IS THAT
ACCURATE? SO THE 1.5 MILLION
WILL BE 100% FUND RAISED AND
FINANCED BY SAIL SAND POINT?
>> YES. THIS IS A PART OF THE
IMPROVEMENT OFFSET PART OF THE
AGREEMENT WHERE SAIL SAND POINT
WILL DO THE FUNDRAISING OF
VARIOUS KINDS, WHETHER THROUGH
PRIVATE FUNDRAISING, GRANT
OPPORTUNITIES, AND THE CONTRACT
OFFERS THEM A 50% RENT OFFSET
DURING THE LIFE OF THE
CONTRACT TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF
THOSE EXPENSES. THEY WILL BE
REQUIRED TO PAY A PREVAILING
WAGE, AND THEY WILL IMPLEMENT
THAT. THAT IS A PRETTY STANDARD
PRACTICE AT MAGNUSON PARK.
>> ARE WE SAYING WE SHOULD
THINK THE PUBLIC BENEFIT VALUE
AS 1.6 MILLION?
>> YES.
>> OKAY. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL.
I AM SCRATCHING MY HEAD
WONDERING, THIS IS A PUBLIC
BENEFIT , AS THE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT EXPLAINED, PUBLIC
PROPERTY, AND IT ALWAYS SEEMS
LIKE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS , IT
SEEMS TO BE THIS BALANCE
BETWEEN WHAT THE CONTRACT HE
CAN AFFORD AND WHAT WE THINK
THE BENEFIT OF USING THE
PROPERTY BY A PRIVATE ENTITY,
WHAT WE THINK IT IS WORTH . IT
IS NEVER REALLY CLEAR HOW WE
ARRIVE AT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL
OF PUBLIC BENEFIT. MAYBE IF
THERE IS MORE CLARITY OR A
FORMULA OR SOMETHING THAT IS
USED, MAYBE TRACY CAN SPEAK TO
THAT A LITTLE BIT. AND THEN, MY
OTHER QUESTION IS, AS IT
RELATES TO THE AGREEMENT ,
GIVING SAIL SAND POINT USE OF
THE PREMISES, IS THAT EXCLUSIVE
USE OF THE PREMISES, OR IS IT
GOING TO BE SHARED BY PARKS,
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, OR THE
PUBLIC?
>> THIS IS SUPERINTENDENT FOR
PARKS AND RECREATION. THE MAIN
HOLD OF THE LEASE IS TO
PROVIDE EXCLUSIVE BENEFIT TO
SAIL SAND POINT, HOWEVER, THEY
ARE OPEN TO US BEING ABLE TO
USE THE FACILITIES WHEN NEEDED
FOR OUR PROGRAMMING. THEY HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER
THERE. THEY HAVE ALSO COMMITTED
TO ALLOW US TO GROW PROGRAM
SUCH AS SWIM SEATTLE FOR THE
PUBLIC. WE HAVE HAD SOME
OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE WOULD
LIKE TO HAVE WORKSHOPS FOR
KIDS ON LAKE SAFETY, AND THEY
HAVE AGREED TO PROVIDE US THE
EQUIPMENT FREE OF USE, THE USE
OF THE BEACH AREAS. WE FEEL
VERY COMFORTABLE IN THE
RELATIONSHIP. AGAIN, AT MAIN
HEADQUARTERS IN MAGNUSON, WE
ARE CLOSE BY TO SAIL SAND
POINT. WE FEEL CONFIDENT IT IS
NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT
WILL BE, ONCE APPROVED,
CLOISTERED OFF. THEY HAVE BEEN
VERY RECEPTIVE AND WILL
CONTINUE TO DO SO.
>> TO THE QUESTION I HAD
BROADLY, NOT EXTERNALLY
SPECIFIC TO THIS AGREEMENT,
BROADLY, HOW DO WE DETERMINE
WHAT OUR TARGET SHOULD BE FOR
THE VALUE OF A PUBLIC BENEFIT?
>> COUNCILMEMBER, I DON'T THINK
THERE'S REALLY A FORMULA WE
HAVE USED, BUT THERE ARE
CERTAINLY CONSIDERATIONS. YOU
MENTIONED THEM. HOW MUCH
FINANCIALLY DOES THE
ORGANIZATION, HOW MUCH CAN THEY
CONTRIBUTE, ASIDE FROM THE
PROVISION OF WHAT SERVICE THEY
ARE PROVIDING? BECAUSE THERE IS
SOME VALUE THAT WE SEE IN THEM
PROVIDING A CERTAIN TYPE OF
RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY, EVEN IF
PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF
THAT ACTIVITY. BUT IT ALSO IS
A MATTER OF HOW MUCH MORE THEY
CAN PROVIDE IN TERMS OF FREE
WHEN THEY CHARGE FOR THOSE
SERVICES. HOW MUCH ARE THEY
CAPABLE OF TO PROVIDE? THAT IS
A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS I HAVE
TRUSTED SPR TO DO THEIR WORK ON
TO DETERMINE THAT THIS IS WHAT
WE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN AFFORD,
PARTICULARLY GIVEN NOT ONLY
WITH THEIR FINANCIALS AND ARE
IN DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, BUT
THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY
POTENTIALLY WILL MAKE TOWARDS
THESE IMPROVEMENTS. IT IS A
CONSIDERATION ABOUT A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. EACH ONE
AS YOU CAN REMEMBER, EACH ONE
IS SO DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF
THESE AGREEMENTS ANY TYPE OF
ACTIVITY THAT HAS BEEN
PROVIDED AT MAGNUSON OR OTHER
PARK FACILITIES AROUND THE
FACILITY.
>> I THINK WHAT I AM ASKING IS,
TIS IS A NEGOTIATION. IS A
STARTING POINT OF THE
NEGOTIATION AND ASSESSMENT BY
THE CITY OF THE VALUE OF THE
BENEFIT THAT WE ARE GRANTING TO
THE CONTRACT THE? IT SEEMS
LIKE THAT SHOULD BE, IN THE
NEGOTIATION, WE SHOULD START
FROM WHAT THE VALUE IS OF WHAT
WE ARE GIVING. AND THEN, LAYER
INTO THAT CONVERSATION WHAT THE
CONTRACT HE CAN AFFORD. I HAVE
ASKED THIS QUESTION ENOUGH TO
BE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT IT IS
NOT THE APPROACH WE USE.
>> I AM NEW HERE AND BRINGING
SOME EXPERIENCE AS WELL WITH
THESE PUBLIC-PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIPS THAT I WANT TO
IMPLEMENT , BUT THERE IS A
DIFFERENT APPROACH, I BELIEVE .
FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS SITUATION,
WE WANT TO START BY FIRST
LOOKING AT THE ORGANIZATION.
SAIL SAND POINT IS A NONPROFIT.
THEY ARE A SMALL BUSINESS
COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC. WE
REALIZE THEY NEED TO GROW AND
GET BACK TO PRE-2020 NUMBERS,
WHICH THEY ARE CONFIDENT THAT
THINGS ARE REBOUNDED. WE
CERTAINLY TAKE THAT AS A
BASELINE. IF THIS WERE A
DIFFERENT -- THERE ARE OTHER
MODELS , ARENA SPORTS AND OTHER
FOR-PROFIT PRIVATE
ORGANIZATIONS, THAN AS A CITY,
WE NEED TO APPROACH THAT
DIFFERENTLY. BUT HERE , YOUR
POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN, BUT I
THINK THE START OF THE
NEGOTIATION FIRST LOOKS AT THE
TYPE OF BUSINESS, WHAT THEY ARE
PROVIDING, THINGS THAT WE CAN'T
PROVIDE, SO WE DON'T HAVE -- WE
DO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE EXPERTISE
TO RUN OUR OWN SAILING CENTER
INDEPENDENTLY WITH OUR LIMITED
STAFF. WE ALSO DON'T HAVE SOME
OF THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO
CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE THOSE
DOCKS IN THE EQUIPMENT AND ALL
THE THINGS . ESPECIALLY DEALING
WITH MAGNUSON AND THE OTHER
HUGE MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
THAT WE HAVE. THOSE ARE SOME
OF THE STARTING POINTS WE LOOK
AT. THEIR PAST HISTORY AND
WHAT TYPE OF TENANT THEY HAVE
BEEN. ALSO, AGAIN, WHAT THEY
WILL PROVIDE IN CAPITAL , AND
ALSO IN PROGRAMMING. WE BELIEVE
THAT THOSE COMBINED ARE
REASONABLE, AND ACTUALLY A GOOD
PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THIS
LOCATION , AND FOR THE UNIQUE
SERVICES THEY PROVIDE. AGAIN,
YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL BUSINESSES,
THEY WANT TO DO WELL. THEY
WANT TO PAY THEIR STAFF, BUT
THE MAIN FOCUS IS NOT TO MAKE A
BY THE PROPHET AT THE PERIL OF
THE CITY AND NOT GIVE BACK TO
GET A SWEETHEART DEAL.
>> MY LAST QUESTION RELATES TO
SOMETHING I HAD NOT HEARD
BEFORE. IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE
IS A LEVEL OF FLEXIBILITY IN
THE PUBLIC BENEFIT AGREEMENT
THAT I WAS UNAWARE OF. I
THOUGHT I HAD HEARD BRIAN
DESCRIBED THIS AS A MENU THAT
CAN FLUCTUATE FROM YEAR TO
YEAR. THAT SOUNDS NEW TO ME.
IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY WE VOTE
AND PASS A PUBLIC BENEFIT
AGREEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF 15
YEARS IF THERE IS THIS BUILT IN
FLEXIBILITY WHERE THE MENU OF
BENEFITS CAN CHANGE WITHOUT
THE AWARENESS OF THOSE CHANGES
IN A WAY THAT IS IN CONFLICT
WITH THE AGREEMENT.
>> I CAN ADDRESS THAT. I
THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT I
AM NOT A PROPONENT OF HUGE
LONG-TERM CONTRACTS. SOMETIMES
CITIES DO AGREEMENTS AT 20 AND
25 YEARS. SOMETIMES THAT IS
APPROPRIATE, BUT FOR MOST
CONTRACTS, I THINK WE NEED TO
EVALUATE THE GOOD PERIOD. FOR
THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT, I DO
THINK WITH THE APPROXIMATE 1.5
MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR
TENANT IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE TO
ALLOW A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY
FOR THEM TO RECOUP THE BENEFIT
ON THAT INVESTMENT. THAT MIGHT
REQUIRE, IF THERE WASN'T SUCH A
SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL PROGRAM
BEING APPLIED, THAT WE MIGHT
WANT TO CONSIDER A SMALLER
AGREEMENT . ASKED TO THE MENU,
I THINK THAT ACTUALLY WORKS IN
THE FAVOR OF THE CITY, BECAUSE
IT IS MORE ON THE PROGRAMMATIC
ISSUE. AGAIN, WE CAN ADDRESS
THAT. FOR INSTANCE, WITH SWIM
SEATTLE, IF WE'RE REALLY DOING
WELL AND GROWING THAT PROGRAM
AND IT IS ROBUST AND WE HAVE
PEOPLE WE WANT TO BRING IN, WE
CAN GO TO THEM AS A, YOU KNOW
WHAT? WE NEED TO INCREASE THE
HOURS. WE NEED YOU TO WORK WITH
US AND FIND WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE
MORE TIME. IF THEY ARE DOING
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WORKING
VERY WELL OR DOESN'T SEEM TO
HAVE A LOT OF BANG FOR THE
BUCK, WE CAN TELL THEM, YOU
KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD WORK
TOGETHER TO PULL BACK THIS ONE
THING YOU ARE DOING, BUT TAKE A
LOOK AT THAT. IN A TRADITIONAL
AGREEMENT WHERE IT IS MORE OF A
DIVINE SPACE AND LESS
PROGRAMMATIC, WE MAY NOT WANT
THAT MENU SO THAT IN HERE TO,
THEY CAN SAY, WE WILL NOT DO
THIS BECAUSE WE HAD A SLIDING
SCALE. BUT HERE, I THINK IT
COULD WORK TO OUR ADVANTAGE.
>> JUST TO PROVIDE FURTHER.
THE AGREEMENT ACTUALLY SAYS
THAT THE CONCESSIONAIRE SHALL
PROVIDE A LEVEL OF PUBLIC
BENEFIT CONSISTENT WITH THOSE
DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT B. THIS
EXHIBIT PROVIDES ONLY A
GUIDELINE. SO WE DO HAVE SOME
INTENT ABOUT IT BEING AT THE
SAME LEVEL. TO ME, THAT MEANS
$100,000 WOULD BE YOUR LEVEL.
>> MY INTERPRETATION OF IT WAS
THAT THE MORE SUITABLE ANALOGY
WOULD PROBABLY BE , LIKE THE
MENU IS FAIRLY SET, BUT IN ANY
GIVEN YEAR WHAT YOU ARE
ORDERING OFF THE MENU MIGHT BE
DIFFERENT BASED ON THE
IMPENDING NEEDS. I THINK TO THE
QUESTIONS A CONCERN, I
WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN A
POSITION WHERE THE COUNCIL
MECCAS APPROVING A BAIT AND
SWITCH KIND OF SITUATION WHERE
A COMPLETELY FOREIGN PUBLIC
BENEFIT WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED
-- FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS -- YOU
KNOW, AS WE CAN SEE, WE DO A
LOT OF OVERSIGHT HERE AT THE
CITY COUNCIL, APPROPRIATELY SO.
IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY RANDOM
CAME OUT LATER AFTER WE
APPROVED IT, I THINK THAT WOULD
BE THE MENU CHANGING. THE WAY I
INTERPRET IT TO BE IS, OF THESE
VARIOUS THINGS ENUMERATED IN
B1, IN A GIVEN YEAR, WE MIGHT
FOCUS THE BENEFIT MORE IN ONE
PLACE OR ANOTHER BASED ON OUR
SITUATION. THAT MIGHT BE THE
BETTER ANALOGY THAN THE MENU
SHIFTING. ANYWAY. WHO KNOWS
WHEN WE GET INTO ANALOGIES.
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD, DO YOU
HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I AM DONE. THANK YOU.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
>> THANK YOU. I DON'T WANT
SAIL SAND POINT TO FEEL THEY
ARE NOT A VALUED PARTNER IN THE
CITY FAMILY OF CONCESSION
AGREEMENTS AND USING PUBLIC
ASSETS. I JUST WANT TO POINT
OUT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF
NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT
USE PUBLIC ASSETS. THERE
OPERATING ON CITY PROPERTY. I
THINK WHY WE'RE REALLY PUSHING,
I WILL BE POLITE, PUSHING
BACK, IS BECAUSE YOU ARE,
THIS EXCLUSIVITY CONTRACT IS ON
A VERY, VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF
PROPERTY ON LAKE WASHINGTON.
THE ACCESS POINTS AND THE
CAMPUS ITSELF, AS YOU KNOW,
WHEN THE PROPERTY CAME UP, MANY
WERE VYING FOR THE PROPERTY, IN
SEATTLE GOT THE PROPERTY, WE
AMENDED A DEED TO PUT LOW
INCOME HOUSING ON THAT
PROPERTY. WE WERE STRINGENT
LOOKING AT CONTRACTS AND MAKING
SURE ANYONE WHO HAD A PRESENCE
ON THAT CAMPUS, ON THAT
PROPERTY, THAT THEY WERE
BENEFITING ALL OF THE CITY OF
SEATTLE. THE LENS WAS ALWAYS,
LET'S CHANGE THE DEED AND OPEN
IT UP TO BRING IN NONPROFITS
AND BRING IN LOW INCOME
HOUSING. AT ONE POINT, WE WERE
LOOKING AT TRYING TO PLACE A
GROCERY STORE THERE, BECAUSE
THERE IS A FOOD DESERT. THERE
IS NO CHRISTMAS THERE AND THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU ARE PART
OF A WHOLE CONSTELLATION OF
THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH
THAT PROPERTY. IT IS NOT JUST
ABOUT SAILING, IT IS THE
LOCATION OF THAT PROPERTY, THE
EXCLUSIVITY OF THE CONTRACT,
AND THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY
WITH THE ACCESS TO LAKE
WASHINGTON. FOR ME, THAT HAS
MORE HEIGHTENED THE PUBLIC
BENEFITS. I HOPE YOU DON'T
TAKE OFFENSE TO SOME OF THE
QUESTIONS OR ARE TAKEN ABACK
BY THE QUESTIONS WE ASK ABOUT
PUBLIC BENEFITS IN THE
CONCESSION AGREEMENT. I JUST
WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE
TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT
PIECE, BECAUSE IN THE LAST
DECADE , THAT HAS BEEN A REAL
POINT OF CONTENTION FOR
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE NEVER
HAD ACCESS TO THESE ACTIVITIES,
TO THESE BUILDINGS, TO THE
STOCKS, TO THE BOAT SHEDS. THEY
NEVER HAD ACCESS, BECAUSE NO
ONE EVER OPENED IT UP AND SHOW
THE PUBLIC, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE
DOING AND THIS IS HOW WE ARE
RECRUITING. THIS IS HOW WE ARE
DOING COMMUNITY OUTREACH. IF
YOU ARE A NONPROFIT AND HAVE
DONE THESE, WE HAVE DONE THE
SAME THING WITH PEOPLE WHO RUN
CONCESSION STANDS IN WEST
SEATTLE. THAT IS JUST WHAT WE
DO, BECAUSE IT IS OUR PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE OUR VALUES AND
POLICIES THAT WE WANT TO SEE.
WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT WITHIN
THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE
CONTRACT , AND WE WANT THAT
INTENT THERE. I APOLOGIZE FOR
NOT READING THE 72 PAGE
CONCESSION AGREEMENT, BUT MY
HOMEWORK TO YOU IS, I THINK YOU
HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF
HELPING ME HELP YOU IN SELLING
WHY THIS IS A GOOD DEAL. I
DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
LOOKING AT REVIEWING THE
CONTRACT ONE TIME IN 10 YEARS
OR FIVE YEARS. I CERTAINLY
APPRECIATE AND 1.5 MILLION
DOLLAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT YOU
ARE ATTENDING TO DO. WE HAVE
DONE THAT WITH OTHER NONPROFITS
AS WELL. WITH THAT, I DO WANT
TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND
PROVIDING US WITH THIS
INFORMATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL
PRESIDENT. ARE THERE ANY
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM
COLLEAGUES ? . IT DOESN'T LOOK
LIKE THERE IS. JUST TO TAKE A
TEMPERATURE OF THE COMMITTEE .
WE HAVE GONE OVER A LOT OF THE
AGREEMENT HERE , AND WE HAVE
REFERENCED A LOT OF THE
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. ARE
COMMITTEE MEMBERS GENERALLY
FEELING LIKE THEY ARE
CONFIDENT IN THE STATE OF
PUBLIC BENEFIT IN THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TO TAKE
ACTION ON A RECOMMENDATION? OR
WOULD YOU RATHER CONSIDER THESE
DOCUMENTS , SPEND A LITTLE BIT
MORE TIME WITH DEPARTMENT STAFF
, AND CONSIDER IT AT THE NEXT
COMMITTEE MEETING? WHAT IS
YOUR COMFORT LEVEL BASED ON OUR
DISCUSSION TODAY? AND THE
SUPPORTING PARTNERS HERE?
>> MR. CHAIR, WHEN IS THE NEXT
COMMITTEE MEETING?
>> GOSH, THIS IS AN A REGULAR
MEETING ON A FRIDAY. CLERK, WHY
DON'T WE SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT
MEETING.
>> IT IS THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF
THE MONTH, JULY 19. THAT IS THE
NEXT MEETING.
>> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
>> YES, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
>> I AM NOT COMFORTABLE VOTING
TODAY. IF WE CAN HAVE , I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU NEED TO HOLD A
PRESENTATION AGAIN, BUT IF WE
CAN FOCUS THE POWERPOINT ON THE
CONCESSION AGREEMENT AND HAVE
THEM ANSWER SOME OF THESE
QUESTIONS, BECAUSE OF THE
EXCLUSIVITY OF THIS CONTRACT
AND ITS LOCATION AND THE OTHER
NONPROFITS, I DON'T WANT TO
ABSTAIN OR VOTE NO. THANK YOU
FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SHARE. I WOULD WELCOME JULY 19
, AND MAYBE ANOTHER POWERPOINT
THAT ADDRESSES THE ISSUES WE
RAISE TODAY.
>> I THINK THAT IS A REASONABLE
REQUEST. I THINK THIS
DISCUSSION TODAY , YOU KNOW, I
THINK THAT WOULD VERY MUCH BE
THE APPROPRIATE NEXT STEP GIVEN
THE CONCERNS OF A VARIETY OF
COLLEAGUES. I THINK WE'RE
GOING TO DO THAT .
PROCEDURALLY, I DON'T KNOW
THAT I NEED TO DO ANYTHING . I
THINK WE JUST BASICALLY PUT IT
ON THE AGENDA FOR JULY 19 . I
THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. IS
THERE ANY STRONG CONCERN? DOES
THAT DELAY OF A COUPLE DAYS
MAKE A COLOSSAL DIFFERENCE ON
YOUR END, AP ?
>> DACHA WILL STILL PUT US ON
COURSE TO CONCLUDE THIS
BUSINESS WELL IN ADVANCE OF THE
RECESS.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD BE OKAY.
WE ARE IN A AN EXISTING
CONTRACT. SO WE SHOULD BE
FINE.
>> OKAY. MY INTENT WILL BE TO
HAVE A VOTE ONE WAY OR THE
OTHER ON THE PUBLIC BENEFIT
AGREEMENT ON JULY 19. I THINK
IT MAKES SENSE, GIVEN SOME OF
THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED
HERE AND THE INTEREST
CONVEYING IN A PRESENTATION ON
THE RECORD, A COUPLE MORE OF
THE CONCERNS THAT COMMITTEE
MEMBERS FLAGGED, TO HAVE THAT
FINAL ACTION AND A
SUPPLEMENTARY PRESENTATION
RESPONDED TO COMMITTEE CONCERNS
ON JULY 19. THAT IS WHERE I
WILL LEAVE IT. I APPRECIATE
FOLKS MAKING THEMSELVES
AVAILABLE AND ANSWERING THESE
QUESTIONS TODAY . I THINK THAT
CLOSES THIS AGENDA ITEM. WITH
THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER
ITEMS OF BUSINESS. IT IS 3:29
PM. THE NEXT MEETING IS GOING
TO BE ON JULY 19 . WITH THAT,
WE ARE ADJOURNED.