>>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
FEBRUARY 8, 2022 MEETING OF THE
PUBLIC SAFETY AND HUMAN
SERVICES COMMITTEE WILL COME TO
ORDER.
IT IS 9:30 AND I AM ANDREW
LEWIS, VICE CHAIR OF THE
COMMITTEE, ACTING AS CHAIR FOR
TODAY'S MEETING.
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD CANNOT
JOIN US TODAY.
SHE SUSTAINED AN INJURY OVER
THE WEEKEND IS AT HOME
RECOVERING.
WE WISH HER ALL THE BEST AND
FOR A SPEEDY RECOVERY.
WHILE THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL?
>> TERESA MOSQUEDA?
>> PRESENT.
>> SARA NELSON ? TERRELL LEWIS?
>> PRESENT.
>> THERE IS A REPORT AT THE TOP
OF THE MEETING ON TODAY'S
AGENDA.
WE WILL CURE AN OVERVIEW OF THE
PRE-BASEMENT WHILE PROGRAM FROM
ADRIAN DIAZ.
WE ARE ALSO GOING TO HEAR A
SUMMARY OF THE OFFICE AND
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WINTER
WEATHER RESPONSE AFTER ACTION
REPORTS OR A DRAFT OF THAT
REPORT AND AN UPDATE FROM
CENTRAL STAFF ON THE LATEST
DRAFT OF PAYOUT POLICY
LEGISLATION.
WE WILL NOW APPROVE OUR AGENDA
FOR OUR COMMITTEE MEETING.
IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION TO
TODAY'S AGENDA IT WILL BE
ADOPTED.
HEARING NO OBJECTION.
THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL
TRANSITION INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WILL MODERATE IT IN THE
FOLLOWING MANNER.
DO TO THE LARGE NUMBER OF
SPEAKERS TODAY, A SPEAKER WILL
BE GIVEN ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK.
I WILL CALL IN A SPEAKER BY
NAME AND IN THE ORDER IN WHICH
THEY REGISTERED ON THE
COUNCIL'S WEBSITE.
IF YOU HAVE NOT REGISTERED TO
SPEAK BUT WOULD LIKE TO, YOU
CAN SIGN UP BEFORE THE END OF
THE PUBLIC HEARING BY GOING TO
THE COUNCIL'S WEBSITE.
THIS LINK IS LISTED ON TODAY'S
COUNCIL AGENDA.
ONCE I CALL A SPEAKER'S NAME,
YOU WILL CURE A PROMPT AND ONCE
YOU HAVE HEARD THAT PROMPT
COMPANY TO PRESS STAR SIX TO
UNMUTE YOURSELF.
PLEASE SPEAK BY STATING YOUR
NAME AND THE ITEM THAT YOU ARE
ADDRESSING.
THEY HEAR A CHIME WHEN 10
SECONDS OR LEFT ARE THERE.
ONCE YOU HEAR IT, WE ASK YOU
BEGIN TO WRAP UP YOUR PUBLIC
COMMENTS.
IF SPEAKRS DO NOT END THEIR
COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE
ALLOTTED TIME PROVIDED, THEIR
MICROPHONE WILL BE MUTED AFTER
10 SECONDS TO ALLOW US TO HEAR
FROM THE NEXT SPEAKER.
ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED YOUR
PUBLIC COMMENTS, PLEASE
DISCONNECT FROM THE WINE AND IF
YOU PLAN TO CONTINUE FOLLOWING
THIS MEETING, PLEASE DO SO VIA
THE SEATTLE CHANNEL OR THE
LISTENING OPTIONS LISTED ON THE
AGENDA.
THERE ARE 21 PEOPLE CURRENTLY
SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I AM GOING TO HAVE THE CLERK,
ALEX CLARDY, MODERATE THE
PROCESS.
MR. CLERK, I WILL PASS IT BACK
OVER TO YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
FIRST, WE HAVE THIS PERSON,
LISTED AS NOT PRESENT.
WE WILL CALL YOU WHEN WE SEE
YOU ARE PRESENT.
WE HAVE HOWARD GAIL.
>> HELLO?
>> WE CAN HEAR YOU.
>> OKAY, THANKS.
THIS IS DISTRICT 7. SINCE YOUR
LAST MEETING, OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY COMMITTEE, THEY HAVE
RELEASED A REPORT ON THE SPD
MURDER FROM LAST YEAR.
ONCE MORE, A HEARTLESS POLICE
ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM THAT HAS
POLICE POLICING POLICE
DETERMINES A COPY MURDERING
SOMEONE ONLY REQUIRES -- THEY
HAVE COME IN THIS CASE, AS HE
MURDERED, ENGAGED IN -- TO DE-
ESCALATE.
THIS KILLING -- IT WAS A
TRAFFIC TERRIFIC.
THEY DENY HIM LIFE.
THE OPA AND CPC AND THE COUNCIL
HAS SUPPORTED A SYSTEM THAT HAS
IGNITED HIM AND HIS FAMILY AND
FRIENDS -- YOU HAVE TO STOP
LOOKING AT DATA WITHOUT
UNDERSTANDING THE PEOPLE BEHIND
IT.
YOU DENY THEM THEIR LIVES AND
DENY THEM JUSTICE.
>> THANK YOU, HOWARD.
WE HAVE THE SAGE WILSON,
FOLLOWED BY WELL LYNN.
>> I AM HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT
OF MOVING FORWARD ON THE POLICY
BEING DISCUSSED.
TODAY, IN SEATTLE, WORKERS WITH
DOORDASH AND INSTANT GRAHAM ARE
STUDYING -- IN A RECENT SURVEY
OF THAT, THEY ARE UNABLE TO
KEEP UP WITH THE COST OF
MAINTENANCE ON THEIR VEHICLES.
36% ARE UNABLE TO AFFORD
GROCERIES OR BASIC ITEMS.
ALMOST 2/3 REPORTED HAVING LESS
THAN $100 IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNT
AT SOME POINT IN THE LAST YEAR.
THESE DIRECTLY FROM WORKERS --
IT UNDERSCORES WHY IT IS SO
CRITICAL TO RAISE PAY AND
PROTECT FLEXIBILITY AND
MEANINGFUL TRANSPARENCY TO
WORKERS IN THIS INDUSTRY.
A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK HAS
ALREADY GONE INTO THE DRAFT
ORDINANCE BEING DISCUSSED.
SEVERAL MONTHS OF STAKEHOLDER
MEETINGS DETAILED REVIEW BY
CITY STAFF AND FEEDBACK FROM
HUNDREDS OF WORKERS.
SOME OF THE BIGGEST COMPANIES
HAVE ENGAGED IN THIS.
A BROAD COALITION -- INCLUDE
WHAT AMERICA, SOMALI COMMUNITY
SERVICES AND THE WASHINGTON --
THEY WILL ELIMINATE MINIMUM
WAGES.
>> THANK YOU, SAGE.
NEXT, WE HAVE WELL LYNN,
FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL PULLMAN.
>> REMEMBER TO PRESS STAR SIX.
>> YOU ARE STILL MUTED.
IF YOU CAN PRESS STAR SIX TO
UNMUTE YOURSELF?
>> OKAY, IT'S ME?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
OKAY.
MY NAME IS WELL INLAND AND I AM
HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM SINCE
FEBRUARY 2020.
I AM NEW TO SEATTLE -- THERE IS
A GREAT DEAL.
THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH -- THE
STAFF NEED A CHANCE.
MOST OF THE TIME, I -- BY ONE
OF THE WAREHOUSE WORKERS.
DO IT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
THIS IS VERY UNNECESSARY AND
UNREASONABLE AND ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
>> THANK YOU, WILL.
MICHAEL PULLMAN WILL BE
FOLLOWED BY TERRY HARSTAD.
>> MY NAME IS MIKEY AND I AM
HERE.
I HAD TO STAND UP MUSIC
STORYTELLING.
I WORK FOR DOORDASH AND I AM
THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR MY
DISABLED PARTNER.
IN THE 30 YEARS I HAVE BEEN
WORKING IN THE SERVICE
INDUSTRY, NEVER STRUGGLED THIS
MONTH AS A WORKER.
THIS IS ON TOP OF MINIMUM WAGE
AND TIPS.
25 YEARS LATER, DOORDASH IS AS
LITTLE AS $2.25 AND GAS IS FOUR
TIMES AS MUCH.
THE QUICK ISSUE WITH MO CARTER
BEING AWARE OF THE AGREEMENT.
I HAD A DOZEN DELIVERIES THAT
WAS DIFFERENT IN PAY.
THAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL TO TO
HAVE ANY CONTROL ON WHAT I
EARN.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF
THE ECONOMY AND MANY
RESTAURANTS WILL.I.AM DELIVERY
TO STAY OPEN.
PROTECTING DELIVERY DRIVERS
PROTECTS THE ECONOMY.
I HOPE THEY WILL SET THE
STANDARD FOR TREATMENT OF THESE
WORKERS.
>> THANK YOU.
THIERRY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
ASHLEY.
TERRY?
>> HELLO, THANK YOU.
HELLO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I AM TERESA AND AN INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTOR WITH THE GIG ECONOMY
AND I JOINED THE CAMPAIGN
BECAUSE I SEE A LACK OF RESPECT
FROM GIG ECONOMY ASK.
ALTHOUGH MY EXPERIENCE IS A
HANDY -- HOW THEY WORK.
THEIR OPERATION RESEMBLES AN
AGENCY.
THEY DETERMINE MY PAY RAISE AND
ANITA NEED TO COMPLETE THE JOB
AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME I DO THE
JOB.
THEY INCLUDE COMMUNICATION IF I
AM EXPOSED TO COVID.
THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING, GET
I'M EXPECTED TO COVER MY
BUSINESS LICENSE AND MY STATE
TAXES AND MY FEDERAL TAXES AND
MY LIABILITY INSURANCE --
EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLY AND FELLOW
EXPENSES.
THIS IS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP
THAT IS NOT HEALTHY FOR ANY
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR.
BASICALLY, THE --
>> THANK YOU, TERRY.
ASHLEY SUTTON IS UP, FOLLOWED
BY THIS PERSON.
>> GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY. I AM THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR
WASHINGTON NORTHWEST AND EVER
PRESENT MANY OF THE NETWORK
COMPANIES THAT AIM TO REGULATE
ALL THIS AND I OPPOSE THE
POLICY.
THEY UNDERSTAND THIS TYPE OF
WORK ALLOWING FAMILIES TO GET
SUPPLEMENTAL INCOME, INCLUDING
PERIODS OF UNDEREMPLOYMENT OR
EMPLOYMENT.
WE APPRECIATE THE INTERESTS IN
THE POLICY ISSUES RELATED TO IT
AND AFFECTING TRANSPORTATION
AND NETWORK COMPANIES.
THEIR PREVIOUS WORK CANNOT
SIMPLY BE -- WE ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT CREATING BARRIERS TO
ENTRY FOR DRIVERS, WHICH COULD
BE -- FOR THIS ONE SIZE FITS
ALL APPROACH FOR DIFFERENT
TYPES OF DELIVERY.
WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL COST WITH A PROPOSAL
THAT COULD RESULT IN --
COMPANIES ARE -- AND NEED MORE
TIME TO TRY TO GET A WORKABLE
POLICY.
WE ASK THEY PAUSE CONSIDERATION
FOR APPROVAL.
>> THANK YOU, ASHLEY., WILL BE
FOLLOWED BY KATIE WILSON.
REMEMBER TO PRESS STAR SIX TO
UNMUTE YOURSELF.
YOU ARE STILL SHOWING AS MUTED.
REMEMBER TO PRESS STAR SIX.
IF YOU CAN HEAR US, PRESS STAR
SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
KATIE WILSON, AND COME BACK TO
YOU, CARMEN, IF YOU'RE UNABLE
TO MUTE YOURSELF.
>> HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THIS IS KATIE WILSON, SPEAKING
ON BEHALF OF THE TRANSFERS --
WE ARE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF
THE POLICY WERE DISCUSSING
TODAY.
SOME HAVE BEEN RELYING ON GIG
WORK TO MAKE ENDS MEET DURING
THE PANDEMIC.
MINIMUM WAGE HAS NO PLACE IN
SEATTLE.
THEY HAVE BEEN A NATIONAL
LEADER IN LABOR STANDARDS AND
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE A WORKERS
BENEFIT.
WE ASK YOU TO END THE PRACTICE
OF PAYING SEVEN WHICH IS TO ASK
LIKE DOORDASH.
THEY HAD EXPLODED DURING THE
PANDEMIC AND SAME WITH MOST
EXPORTED WORKERS IN THE CITY.
WE SUPPORT THE PAYOUT POLICIES
FOR GIG WORKERS THAT ARE PAID
AT LEAST MINIMUM WAGE AFTER
EXPENSES, WITH TIPS ON TOP.
WE ASK ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD TO
PROVIDE BASIC LABOR STANDARDS
TO GIG WORKERS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, KATIE.
WE WILL HAVE THAT FOLLOWED BY
THIS PERSON.
I SEE THAT YOU ARE HERE BUT YOU
ARE STILL MUTED.
REMEMBER TO PRESS STAR SIX.
IF YOU CAN HEAR US, PRESSING
STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THIS
PERSON.
PRESSING STAR SIX TO UNMUTE
YOURSELF.
>> HELLO?
>> WE CAN HEAR YOU.
>> HELLO?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YES.
>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
GOOD MORNING -- I AM A MEMBER
OF -- I WAS A CAB DRIVER.
THE GIG INDUSTRY -- THE RIGHT
OF HINT INDIVIDUAL.
THEY WRITE THE RULES TO THEIR
ADVANTAGE.
THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE RULES
FOR WILL BECOME VICTIMS THERE
IS NO PLACE FOR THIS.
FOR EXAMPLE, I LOST 10 DAYS.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
>> THANK YOU.
HAROLD WILL BE UP.
I WANT TO KNOW, FOR THE FOLKS
THAT CANNOT SPEAK, WE WILL COME
BACK TO AT THE END PUBLIC
COMMENT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET
YOU IN.
HAROLD IS UP, FOLLOWED BY
MICHELLE.
REMEMBER TO HIT STAR SIX TO
UNMUTE YOURSELF.
ONE MORE TIME.
IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PRESS STAR
SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO
MICHELLE, FOLLOWED BY THIS
PERSON.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YES, WE CAN.
>> PERFECT.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE AND I'M
CALLING ON BEHALF OF -- I HAVE
BEEN HERE ABOUT TWO YEARS AND I
HAVE SEEN A DRAMATIC DECREASE
IN PAY.
I'M SUPPOSED TO MAKE SEVEN
DOLLARS TO $10 PER ORDER, BUT
IT IS OFTEN THREE DOLLARS TO
FOUR DOLLARS AN ORDER.
THEY TAKE OVER AND CHECK HOUR.
IT IS NOT OKAY.
WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF WORK
EXPLODED DURING THE PANDEMIC.
I WANT TO SEE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
I AM URGING THE CITY COUNCIL TO
PASS THAT BILL AND SET PRECEDENT
FOR THE EXPECTATION OF THE
WORKERS AND ALLOWING US TO
SUPPORT OURSELVES.
I JUST ASK YOU SUPPORT US AND
THE WORKERS.
I THINK IT IS THE FIRST THING.
>> THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
THEY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
MATTHEW HUMPHREY.
CAN YOU HEAR US?
I SEE YOU ARE UNMUTED.
>> HELLO?
>> WE CAN HEAR YOU, SHELBY.
>> HELLO, I AM SHELBY AND I AM
A GIG WORKER AND A MEMBER OF
THE PAYOUT CAMPAIGN.
I WORK -- THE OWNERS WERE NOT
HONEST WITH ME AND -- IT WOULD
ENCOURAGE YOU TO -- THEY
UNDERCUT OUR WAGES WITH GIG
WORKERS AND THIS IS NOT
SUSTAINABLE TO HELP US MAKE A
LIVABLE WAGE.
YOU MAKE ASTUTE BETWEEN FOOD TO
STAY ALIVE AND RENT.
IT IS NO WAY TO LIVE.
WE NEED SEATTLE CITY COUNCIL TO
PASS THE PAYOUT POLICY FOR GIG
WORKERS IN 2022.
WE CAN THEN PAY BILLS.
WE NEED YOUR HELP.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED.
>> THANK YOU, SHELBY.
I SEE MATTHEW HUMPHREY IS NO
LONGER PRESENT.
WE WILL GO DOWN TO JASON
REEVES, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
MARY.
JASON?
>> MY NAME IS JASON AND I AM A
GIG WORKER AND A VOLUNTEER FOR
THE.
I HAVE PUT -- I HAVE WATCHED
PROFITS REACH RECORD HIGHS
WHILE THE PAYOUTS HAVE
CRATERED.
I REQUIRE TRANSPARENCY WITH
TIPS ON TOP AND THAT WOULD MEAN
MORE MONEY FOR FAMILIES AND
HARD-WORKING PEOPLE LIKE
MYSELF, WHO DELIVERED
MEDICATION.
I DELIVERED -- I HAVE DONE IT
ALL.
I NEED TIPS.
YOU NEED TO KNOW IF MY TIPS ARE
WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE AND IF
THEY WILL NOT BE USED TO
SUPPLEMENT THE PAY THAT I AM
SUPPOSED TO MAKING, IT SHOULD
BE SEPARATED FROM THE POLICY
DEVELOPED BY WORKERS AND THE
FOLKS THAT WORK IN WASHINGTON.
IT ASSURES HARD-WORKING THERAPY
PEOPLE ARE BEING PAID TO
THERAPY FAIRLY.
LET'S DO IT, SEATTLE.
LET'S GET IT DONE.
>> THANK YOU.
MARY, YOU'RE UP.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE USING
INTERPRETERS.
WE WILL PUT THE CLOCK AT TWO
MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
>> YES, THANK YOU.
I'M CALLING FROM AN
INTERPRETER.
THIS IS MARY.
I USED TO WORK WITH INSTACART I
AM A MEMBER OF THE PAY APP
CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE AND I DO
WORK IN SEATTLE.
GIG WORKERS ARE STILL BEING
PAID QUITE LOW. WE NEED THE
COUNCIL TO PASS THIS POLICY, TO
INCREASE THE PAY FOR
STANDARDIZATION.
LAST, EMPLOYMENT, INCOME,
COMPARED TO THE GIG, WE NEED
THE FLEXIBILITY AND IT IS A
VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE INCOME
ALSO MATCHES.
LAST TIME I SHOPPED FOR FIVE
HOURS AND EARNED $55 IN TIPS
AND THEY TOOK THAT OUT OF MY
EXPENSES AND ADDENDA BEING $22
FOR THOSE FIVE HOURS.
BASED ON PAY, IT IS NOT ENOUGH.
NOT FOR WHAT IS IN THE PAY AND
WE NEED THE COUNCIL TO PASS
THIS NEW POLICY IN '22. WE NEED
FAIR PAY AND STANDARDIZATION.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MARY.
NEXT, WE HAVE KIMBERLY WOLF.
THE NEXT TWO AFTER KIMBERLY ARE
SHOWING IS NOT PRESENT BUT IF
THEY SHOW UP, WE WILL LET THEM
SPEAK.
WE HAVE LOU AND WILL.
KIMBERLY?
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> S, WEEKEND.
>> HERE ARE THINGS ABOUT
BARRIERS -- ALL THIS OTHER
STUFF.
PASSING THIS -- IT IS ALL JUST
SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
THERE IS NO BARRIER TO
DELIVERY.
IT IS EASIER THAN OTHER THINGS.
WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE POINT,
WHICH IS THERE ARE PEOPLE IN
THIS CITY LIVING IN POVERTY
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PAID A
FAIR COMPENSATION FOR THE WORK
THEY ARE DOING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WORK
WITH SHIPT BUT I CANNOT BECAUSE
I HAVE BEEN DEACTIVATED FOR THE
SECOND TIME IN MANY MONTHS FOR
DROPPING AN ORDER WITHIN AN
HOUR OF THE WINDOW WHEN YOU
HAVE TO GO PICK IT UP.
THIS IS BECAUSE I HAD PICKED IT
AND CALLED IMMEDIATELY, LESS
THAN A MINUTE, AND THEY TOOK IT
OFF BUT YET THEY DEACTIVATED
ME.
THESE TYPES OF THINGS ARE
HAPPENING.
WE NEED CLEAR STANDARDS TO MAKE
SURE --
>> THANK YOU, KIMBERLY.
AGAIN, WE ARE SHOWING A COUPLE
IS NOT PRESENT.
WE WILL GO BACK TO THE THREE
PEOPLE VERY QUICKLY, THAT WERE
UNABLE TO UNMUTE THEMSELVES.
WE HAVE CARMEN, FOLLOWED BY
GARY.
CARMEN?
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
>> S, WEEKEND.
>> THANK YOU TO BRIEFLY EXPLAIN
THIS.
WE NEED TO SET STANDARDS.
I AM PARTIALLY DISABLED DUE TO
A BACK INJURY.
THE GIG INDUSTRY IS THE ONLY
INDUSTRY THAT ALLOWS ME THE
FLEXIBILITY TO SET MY OWN HOURS
WHILE WORKING AT A PACE AND
INTO CITY I AM PHYSICALLY
COMFORTABLE WITH.
GIG WORK IS MY ONLY SOURCE OF
INCOME.
THE INDUSTRY -- THEY ARE
IMPLEMENTING WAYS TO UNDERMINE
GIG WORKER FLEXIBILITY AND PAY.
WITHOUT LEGISLATION DEMANDING
THEY DO SO, THEY WILL NEVER
INVEST IN THEIR WORKERS.
PASSING THE PAYOUT CAMPAIGN --
IT WILL ALLOW ME TO EARN A WAGE
IN WHICH I COULD THRIVE AND
FLOURISH IN SOCIETY.
WE ARE TRUSTING LAWMAKERS TO
PASS THAT POLICY.
WE ARE NOT DISPOSABLE AND
SHOULD NOT BE EXPLOITED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
>> THANK YOU, CARMEN.
GARY IS SHOWING IS NOT PRESENT,
SO WE WILL GO ON TO THE LAST
SPEAKER, HAROLD.
>> THIS IS HAROLD.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YES.
>> GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
TIME.
I AM A GIG WORKER IN SEATTLE
AND PART OF THE CAMPAIGN.
AS MANY HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WE
HAVE THE NEED FOR GIG WORKERS
TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO FULL
TRANSPARENCY OF WHAT THEY ARE
BEING PAID AND ALSO TO BE
PROTECTED AGAINST UNFAIR
DEACTIVATION FROM THESE
PLATFORMS.
THERE IS NO RECOURSE FOR IT.
I WAS RECENTLY DEACTIVATED FROM
MY ACCOUNT BECAUSE I SUBMITTED
MY SEATTLE SICK PAY FOR TWO
DAYS AND I TOLD HIM THE REASON
WAS BECAUSE I HAD COVID.
BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY FROZE MY
ACCOUNT AND THEY HOPE I GET
BETTER AND I NEED A NOTE FROM
MY DOCTOR.
I IMMEDIATELY GOT TO THEM AND
IT TOOK THEM OVER TWO MORE
ADDITIONAL WEEKS TO GET MY
ACCOUNT BACK AND RUNNING AFTER
I SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK.
THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL WEEK
FOR ME TO EVEN GET THE PAY,
WHICH WAS --
>> THANK YOU, HAROLD.
THAT IS THE LAST PUBLIC
COMMENTS OR WE HAVE TODAY AND I
WILL READ THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM
IN HERE, WHICH IS THE PRE-BASIC
LAW ENFORCEMENT ACADEMY
PROGRAM.
WE HAVE A BRIEFING AND
DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR.
CLARK.
DO WE HAVE OUR PANEL OF
PRESENTERS PRESENT YET?
>> YES.
>> THERE WE GO.
EXCELLENT.
I KNOW THAT WE ARE BEING JOINED
BY INTERIM CHIEF ADRIAN DIAZ
AND IT LOOKS LIKE BRIAN IS
HERE AS WELL.
SO, WHY DON'T WE JUST JUMP INTO
IT, IF OUR PANEL HAS A
PRESENTATION.
INTERIM CHIEF ADRIAN DIAZ, I
WILL HAND IT TO YOU FOR
INTRODUCTIONS AND THEN WE CAN
PROCEED ALONG ACCORDINGLY.
SO, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE IT AWAY?
>> THANK YOU.
I HAVE OUR COO ON THE LINE AS
WELL.
I WILL START US OFF WITH THIS
PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO THINK THE CHAIRS.
I BELIEVE CHAIRMAN HERBOLD
CANNOT JOIN US, BUT THE REST OF
US ARE HERE. EVERYTHING IS
ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS.
OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER,
SOME OF THE SUCCESS I HAVE HAS
BEEN INVOLVED WITH -- IT COULD
NOT HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED
WITHOUT THE WRESTLING SHIFTS OF
PARTNERSHIPS I HAD DEVELOPED.
IT IS BECAUSE OF THESE
RELATIONSHIPS WE ARE STRONGER.
WHEN DEVELOPING THIS INITIATIVE,
WE REFER TO -- WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT THE INITIATIVE.
IT HAS FOUR OBJECTIVES.
DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIPS WITH
THE COMMUNITY WE SERVE AND
COMPASSION AND EMPATHETIC
POLICING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE
DO AND HOW WE SERVE, AND THEN
HOW TO MANAGE ONE'S EMOTIONS
AND BEHAVIORS, AND DEVELOP
EMOTIONAL RESPONSES AND
MODERATE TRAUMA.
IN ORDER TO GET THERE, IT IS
BASED ON THREE MAIN COMPONENTS.
A COMMUNITY CENTER DIALOGUE OF
LEARNING AND OFFICER WELLNESS
AND PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT,
AND A VIEW OF THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT IS 360
DEGREES.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
WHAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON IS
REALLY BRINGING A WHOLE SLEW OF
TRAINING WHEN IT COMES TO
SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL LEARNING
AND BRINGING DEVELOPMENT TO OUR
OFFICERS.
WE WILL DO THIS PRIOR TO THEIR
TIME JOINING THE ACADEMY.
WE WILL BRING RECRUITS IN FOR
30 TO 45 DAYS PRIOR TO THE
ECONOMY AND WE WILL DEVELOP A
LEVEL OF TRAINING IN
SOCIAL/EMOTIONAL LEARNING AND
TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE
PRACTICES CAN BETTER HELP
FACILITATE DE-ESCALATION.
ALSO, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW
THE COMMUNITY THEY WILL END UP
SERVING. THROUGH THIS DIALOGUE,
WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE THEM WITH
LISTENING SESSIONS WITH
COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NOT ONLY
WITH POLICE BUT POLICE AND RACE
AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE
COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTANDING THE
DEMOGRAPHICS OF WHO WE SERVE.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME OF THE
BIGGEST DIALOGUES IN THE
CENTRAL DISTRICT TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF
SEATTLE AND FOR OFFICERS TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH
COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WILL
REALLY HELP UNDERSTAND THE
HISTORY OF HOW POLICING CAME
ABOUT AND SOME OF THE TRAGIC
HISTORY OF HOW WE POLICE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
BY BRINGING THIS TO THEM, BY
BRINGING THE RECRUITS TO THIS
AT THE VERY BEGINNING, THIS
WILL GIVE A MORE CENTERED
APPROACH OF HOW THEY CAN BETTER
WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
THE SECOND COMPONENT IS OFFICER
WELLNESS AND PROFESSIONAL
DEVELOPMENT.
WE KNOW IF WE ARE ABLE TO BUILD
RESILIENCY EARLY ON, OVER THE
COURSE OF AN OFFICERS CAREER
THEY WILL BE EXPOSED TO A LOT
OF TRAUMA.
THEY WILL SEE THE SHOOTINGS,
THE ROBBERIES, ALL THE THINGS
THAT ARE TRAFFIC IN OUR -- WE
WANT TO BUILD THAT LEVEL OF
RESILIENCY EARLY ON.
WE FEEL THAT THE
SOCIAL/EMOTIONAL LEARNING FROM
UNDERSTANDING WHEN AN OFFICER
COMES TO WORK, WHERE THEY ARE
AT.
IF THEY COME AND THEY HAVE HAD
EXPERIENCES AT HOME AND MAYBE
THEY HAVE HAD SOMETHING THAT
DID NOT GO RIGHT AND THEY COME
TO WORK AND THEY ARE NOT IN A
GOOD PLACE, WE KNOW THAT MIGHT
POTENTIALLY CARRY OUT INTO HOW
WE SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE BUILDING THAT LEVEL OF
RESILIENCE EARLY ON.
THE SECOND COMPONENT IS
PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT,
FOCUSED ON -- OUTWARD MINDSETS.
THERE IS A WHOLE LEVEL OF
DEVELOPMENT OF TRAINING THAT WE
WANT, TO MAKE SURE OUR
PERSONNEL ARE EQUIPPED WITH, TO
REALLY, REALLY FIND THEMSELVES
GROWING AS A PERSON ON A DAILY
BASIS.
THE THIRD THING IS REALLY TO
GET A GOOD OVERALL VIEW OF THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WHAT WE WANT TO ALSO BRING INTO
THAT IS HOW DIVERSE AND CAN
OPERATE WITHIN OUR POLICING
MODEL.
TYPICALLY, WHEN I CAME ONTO THE
FORCE, YOU KNOW, WE MADE AN
ARREST AND BOOKED THEM INTO THE
COUNTY JAIL, AND THAT WAS OUR
LEVEL OF WORK.
WE REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY BE PART OF
A DIVERSION, WHERE WE ARE
STARTING THE JUSTICE PROCESS.
WE FEEL LIKE UNDERSTANDING WHAT
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IS
ALL ABOUT AND HOW WE CAN MAKE
SOME CHANGES CULTURALLY ON THE
FRONT AND ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE WE
CAN ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING
TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY WOULD
BE SO IMPORTANT.
AS PART OF THIS TRAINING THAT
WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING, THEY
THEN GO TO THE ACADEMY AND A
FOCUS ON GUARDIANSHIP VERSUS
WARRIOR SHIP, AND AFTER THE
ACADEMY, THEY COME TO WHAT WE
REFER TO AS -- WE WOULD THEN
REITERATE THE SAME VALUES THAT
WE HAVE.
WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE HIRE AN
OFFICER THAT THEY WILL BE WITH
US FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT EARLY
ON TRAINING PRIOR TO THE
ACADEMY AND PRIOR TO THEM GOING
OUT AND BEING DEPLOYED INTO THE
ACTUAL STREETS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO GET OUR
DEPARTMENT BACKUP INTO STAFFING
NUMBERS, WE WILL HIRE OVER 100
OFFICERS FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL
YEARS.
IF WE HIRE THAT MONEY FOR THE
NEXT FIVE YEARS, THAT WILL BE
OVER HALF THE DEPARTMENT THAT
WILL BE INFUSED WITH THIS LEVEL
OF CULTURE CHANGE THAT WE ARE
REALLY FOCUSED ON.
SO, THE REASON WHY I TOOK THIS
COURSE, WE -- THEY HAVE STARTED
TO DO THIS WITH THEIR TEACHERS.
THEY HAVE REALLY TRIED TO
UNDERSTAND WHEN A STUDENT COMES
TO SCHOOL, WE KNOW THAT THEY
HAVE A WHOLE LEVEL OF TRAUMA
THAT HAS GONE ON IN THEIR LIFE,
FROM, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCES OF
ABUSE AT THE HOME FOR DRINKING
ALCOHOL IN THE HOME.
SO, HOW DO THE TEACHERS THEN BE
ABLE TO TO BE ABLE TO LEARN AND
DEVELOP, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY
ELSE?
WE HAVE DIFFERENT TRAINING FOR
THE TEACHERS, TO UNDERSTAND HOW
THEY CAN HELP ADDRESS THOSE
NEEDS.
I FEEL THERE IS A GOOD PLACE
FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO ALSO
LEARN FROM THE SAME PRACTICES
BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH S
PEOPLE IN TRAUMA EVERY SINGLE
CALL.
WE KNOW THEY ARE DEALING WITH
PEOPLE IN CRISIS AND ALSO KNOW
WHEN PEOPLE ARE VICTIMS OF A
CRIME, THEY ARE EXPERIENCING
THAT LEVEL OF TRAUMA THAT WE
HAVE TO THEN UNDERSTAND HOW WE
CAN BETTER SERVE THEM AS WELL.,
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE -- THIS
IS ONE COMPONENT ON THIS WHOLE
POLICING INITIATIVE THAT WE
WILL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY
IMPLEMENT LATER THIS YEAR.
THE ACADEMY, I HAVE ALREADY
BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FROM THE
CRIMINAL TRAINING COMMISSION.
WE WILL BE DOING OUR OWN CLASS,
STARTING IN JUNE, AND WE WILL
BE LAUNCHING A POLICING MODEL
IN MAY, MAY 1st.
SO, WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS
WITH A VARIETY OF NONPROFITS
AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP
LEAD THE COURSE CURRICULUM
WORK.
WE ARE ALSO PUTTING THE
SCHEDULE TOGETHER, SO WE CAN
ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLAN
IN PLACE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
GOING TO BE DOING THROUGH THAT
PROCESS.
THE FIRST CLASS WOULD BE 30
DAYS BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING WE
HAVE TO DO.
WE HOPE WE WILL EXPAND THIS OUT
FROM WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DID
NOT WORK FROM THE RECRUITS, AS
WELL AS LEARNING FROM THE
COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW WE CAN
ACTUALLY MAKE THIS A STRONGER
PROGRAM.
WE HOPE TO BUILD THIS OUT TO A
FULL 45 DAYS BUT, INITIALLY, WE
WILL START OFF WITH 30 DAYS.
THIS IS AN EARLY RUN DOWN OF
THIS PROGRAM, AND ANY QUESTIONS
I OPEN UP, FOR ANY MIGHT HAVE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF
DIAZ, FOR THAT OVERVIEW.
I DO NOT KNOW IF THE COO HAS
ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO
SHARE AS WELL, OR THEY ARE
MOSTLY HERE FOR POTENTIAL
QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME SPACE
BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
>> I THINK I MAY HERE TO
RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.
LET'S GET TO THOSE.
THANK YOU.
>> WE CAN OBLIGE.
I AM SURE THERE WILL BE SOME
QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST THING I WANT TO THROW
OUT, CHIEF, THAT I WOULD LIKE
TO ASK YOU -- I SOMEONE WHO
REPRESENTS DOWNTOWN AND HAS
SEEN A LOT OF GOOD
COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE WEST
PRECINCT AND THE JUSTIN KIER
PROGRAM AND A LONG-RUNNING
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROGRAM,
WHICH IS DERIVATIVE OF JUST
CARE.
HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THIS
CURRICULUM FOR THE PROGRAM,
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOLKS
PRE-ACADEMY COME IN TERMS OF
INTEGRATING THEM INTO THAT
UNIQUE SEATTLE WAY OF HAVING
THAT RESOURCE AND HOW OFFICERS
CAN LEARN ABOUT THAT RESOURCE
AND NO HOW TO UTILIZE IT IN
THEIR WORK, TO TREAT THINGS
THAT COULD BE HANDLED BY
ANOTHER GROUP OF FOLKS AND
ALLOW THEM TO MOVE ONTO ANOTHER
PRIORITY?
IS THAT WHAT YOU ENVISION LATER
THIS YEAR, OF HAVING A CLASS IN
PART OF THIS CURRICULUM?
>> CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
REALLY, WHAT OUR FOCUS WILL BE
IS MAKING SURE THAT OUR
OFFICERS HAVE THAT EXPOSURE TO
PROGRAMS THAT CAN HELP DIVERGE
OR BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME THAT
LOAD OFF THE POLICE OFFICER X
HANDS.
WE KNOW SOMETIMES THAT INITIAL
CONTACT, WE ARE DEALING WITH
UNSHELTERED POPULATIONS AND
THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT
SERVICES WERE THEY HAVE STOLEN
SOMETHING AND THE BUSINESSES
ARE CALLED.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE
OUT WHAT SERVICES WE CAN REFER
THEM TO.
USING JUST CARE OR USING IT FOR
LONG PERIODS OF TIME, BUT DOING
THAT PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL TIME
IN THE ACADEMY, THAT SETS THE
GUIDELINES AND EXPECTATIONS
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS
VALUED IN OUR DEPARTMENT, AND
SO -- BEFORE, YOU WOULD GO FOR
THE ACADEMY AND GO THROUGH YOUR
TRAINING AND THERE WOULD BE
SOMETHING ADDED ON AS PART OF
YOUR JOB.
IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING AT
THE VERY FRONT END OF THE WORK,
WE KNOW THAT OUR OFFICERS WILL
BELIEVE THIS IS AN EXPECTATION,
THAT I AM GOING TO END UP
MAKING SURE OUR COMMUNITY IS
ACTUALLY BEING SERVED IN THE
RIGHT MANNER.
>> RATE.
COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE MORE?
SORT OF IN THIS RECENT ANSWER,
BUT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT
GAP OVER ALL ABOUT THIS PROGRAM
AND WHAT IT IS FEELING AND THE
BENEFIT THIS PROGRAM IS GOING
TO HAVE TO SEATTLE ON AN
ONGOING BASIS?
GIVEN THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE
EXISTING TRAINING PRIOR TO THIS
PROGRAM BEING CONCEIVED OF?
>> YEAH.
THE STATE ACADEMY PROVIDES, YOU
KNOW, FIVE MONTHS OF TRAINING
BUT NONE OF IT IS FOCUSED ON
BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS AND
BUILDING CONNECTIONS AND
UNDERSTANDING WHERE TRAUMA
MIGHT EXIST.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE DOING THIS ON THE FRONT
END, SO THAT IS ONE OF THE
MAJOR COMPONENTS OF IT.
HELP ME OUT WITH THE FIRST PART
OF THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD?
I APOLOGIZE FOR STARTING WITH
THE SECOND PART.
>> OF COURSE.
WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE KNOW
THE TRAINING FROM THE STATE
ACADEMY, YOU KNOW, IT IS
NECESSARY BUT NOT SUFFICIENT
FOR EVERYTHING WE FACE IN THE
CITY OF SEATTLE, RIGHT?
THERE ARE SOME GAPS, AND HOW IS
THIS PROGRAM -- WITH SPECIFIC
GAPS TO THE PROGRAM BILLING,
AND THE POTENTIAL FOR AMENDING
AND CHANGING THE CURRICULUM
BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE
RECEIVED OF HOW SUCCESSFULLY IT
IS ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS?
>> YEAH.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST GAPS IS, I
THINK, FOR THE LONGEST TIME, WE
BECAME A VERY SPECIALIZED
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE HAD A UNIT FOR
EVERYTHING, FOR MAJOR CRIMES
AND FOR BIKES AND FOR COMMUNITY
POLICING TEAMS.
WHAT THAT DID WAS IT REALLY
PUSHED PERSONNEL TO SAY, WELL,
WE WILL HAVE THAT TO THE
COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOR THEM TO
HANDLE.
WHAT MOST OFFICERS DO -- IT WAS
NOT A BAD MODEL.
IT MADE EVERYBODY VERY SPECIAL.
OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO
YEARS, AND LOSING THE PERSONNEL
I HAD, I HAVE HAD TO COME IN,
SHIFT PEOPLE BACK AND THAT IS
MORE FOR MY FOCUS -- TO TRY TO
MAKE EVERYONE -- EVERYBODY HAS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A
COMMUNITY OUTREACH OFFICER BUT
EVERYONE ELSE HAS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THEY
ARE WELL-TRAINED AND THEY CAN
RESPOND TO AN ACTIVE SHOOTER
AND HAVE THOSE SAME SKILL SETS.
IT IS NOT JUST THE COMMUNITY
OFFICER THAT HANDLES THE WORK.
IT IS EVERY ONE OF US.
THAT WAS A GAP IN OUR
DEPARTMENT I WANT TO TO MAKE
SURE I FIXED.
THE SECOND COMPONENT TO THAT IS
THERE WAS A GAP IN TRAINING
BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN
ABLE, DUDE TO THE ACADEMY, TO
PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF REALLY
DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, INTERVAL
RELATIONSHIPS AND UNDERSTANDING
WHAT THAT MEANS.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE
GOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AS
WELL.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT
POLICING IN GENERAL, WE PUT A
LOT OF THE WORK ON THE
OFFICER'S FACE HANDS.
WE HAVE CRISIS WORK AND WE MAKE
SURE THEY WERE GOING TO RESPOND
TO ANYTHING.
WE KNOW THEY ARE NOT
NECESSARILY THE MODEL WE WANT
FOR FUTURE POLICING.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE
PEOPLE THAT ARE MENTAL HEALTH
SPECIALIST TO DO THAT WORK.
WE WANT OFFICERS TO KIND OF
START TO TAKE SOME OF THAT WORK
OFF OF WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
TRAIN, THAT ALLOWS THEM TO
TRANSITION AND UNDERSTAND WHAT
TYPE OF PROGRAMS ARE OUT THERE,
FOR THEM TO TRANSITION WORK TO.
WE ALSO KNOW BECAUSE WE ARE
DEALING WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE IN
TRAUMA ALL THE TIME, WE WANT TO
ALSO MAKE SURE OFFICERS HAVE
THE SOCIAL/EMOTIONAL SKILLS TO
DEAL WITH THIS.
NOT JUST ONE TRAINING CLASS
THAT IS 24 HOURS AND NOW
THEY'VE GONE THROUGH DE-
ESCALATION AND THEY WILL BE
ABLE TO SOLVE EVERY SITUATION.
NO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS
A PRODUCT OF ALL LEVELS OF
THEIR TRAININGS TO ENSURE THEY
ARE JUST DE-ESCALATING BECAUSE
THEY ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE IN
TRAUMA.
>> THANK YOU.
SO, MY LAST QUESTION TO THAT, I
WOULD ASK ABOUT THIS PROGRAM IS
THEY PUT FORWARD TO THOUSAND
DOLLARS TO GET THIS OFF THE
GROUND AND HAVE A FIRST CLASS
THIS YEAR COULD YOU BREAK DOWN
HOW THAT $200,000 IS HELPING TO
FACILITATE THIS AND WHAT KIND
OF PROGRAMMING NEEDS TO BE PAID
FOR AND WHAT THE EXPENSES THAT
THIS ENTAILS ARE?
I THINK THAT WOULD BE
INSTRUCTIVE AS WE LOOK AT HOW
TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING
INITIATIVES LIKE THIS.
>> YES, WE ARE FOR LICENSING --
THIS IS ONE EXPENSE WE ARE
DEALING WITH, TO COORDINATE ALL
ASPECTS OF THIS.
WE HAVE POSTED THAT POSITION
OUT, SO IF YOU -- IF ANYONE IS
LISTENING TO THIS, PLEASE, LOOK
AT THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND IF
YOU HAVE THOSE SKILL SETS WE
ARE LOOKING FOR, PLEASE APPLY.
THE SECOND COMPONENTS WE ARE
CONTRACTING WITH NONPROFITS IN
THIS AREA OF BRAIN DEVELOPMENT
AND SOCIAL/EMOTIONAL LEARNING.
THERE ARE A LOT OF SET OF MONEY
THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE
ARE BRINGING SOME OF THE BEST
PRACTICES IN THIS AREA OF
TRAINING.
SO, THAT IS ANOTHER ASPECT.
I'M ACTUALLY TALKING WITH
FEDERAL PARTNERS, FEDERAL
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE
POLICE CALL HIS OFFICE AND THE
NIJ ON FUNDING THE RESEARCH
COMPONENT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
DOING A PROCESS OF VALUATION OF
HOW WE BUILD THIS PROGRAM AND
WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN WORK
THROUGH, AND THEN ONCE THE
PROGRAM IS UP AND RUNNING,
REALLY DOING A DEEP DIVE INTO
IS THIS THE BEST PRACTICE FOR
POLICING IN GENERAL?
I DO NOT KNOW OF ANOTHER
DEPARTMENT THAT IS DOING THIS
TYPE OF THOUGHT PROCESS FOR
THIS TYPE OF WORK.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE
CUTTING EDGE FOR NOT ONLY OUR
CITY, BUT FOR POLICING IN
GENERAL.
THAT RESEARCH WORK WILL HAVE TO
BE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY FUNDED
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, BUT THERE
IS ALREADY A LEVEL OF INTEREST
TO FIND THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS
HOW POLICING IS EVOLVING.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF,
FOR ALL THE UPDATES.
I WILL OPEN IT UP NOW TO
COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
FOR THE PANEL, REGARDING THE
STATUS OF THE THREE BASIC LAW
ENFORCEMENT ACADEMY PROGRAM?
OKAY, SEEING NO QUESTIONS FROM
COUNCIL MEMBERS.
KEITH, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
THAT IS A QUESTION.
YOU ALMOST GOT TO GET OUT OF
HERE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
CHAIR AND THANK YOU, AGAIN,
INTERIM CHIEF AND TEAM FOR
BEING HERE.
I DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT
THAT PROGRAM.
I DO HAVE QUESTIONS, JUST
GENERALLY COME ON THE
LIMITATION ON SOME OF THE
ASPECTS OF THE 2022 BUDGET AND
I DID NOT SEE YOU ON THE REST
OF THE AGENDA.
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT TO
SAY GOODBYE, SO I THOUGHT IT
WOULD TAKE A QUICK QUESTION TO
ASK THAT.
I THINK NOTABLY MISSING FROM
THE PRESS CONFERENCE LAST
FRIDAY WAS AN INDICATION OF HOW
MUCH COUNCIL HAS PUT TOWARDS
ALTERNATIVES TO PUBLIC SAFETY
AND AN ANSWER TO THE CALL TO
RESPOND TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF
CRIME AND VIOLENCE WE HAVE
SEEN, NOT JUST IN SEATTLE BUT
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE THIS UPSTREAM OF
STRATEGIES THAT I THINK ARE
BUILDING NICELY WITH WHAT YOU
ALL HAVE DESCRIBED ON FRIDAY.
I KNOW THAT CHAIR HERBOLD WOULD
BE LOOKING AT THESE INVESTMENTS
AS WELL.
THEY RELATE TO GUN VIOLENCE.
WE HAVE INVESTED OVER $4
MILLION INTO GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION STRATEGIES.
WE ARE LOOKING AT REDUCTION
STRATEGIES AND I HAVE LISTENED
TO ONE STATION AND THEY ASKED
WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO TO
ADDRESS GUN VIOLENCE.
IT IS THE QUESTION FOLKS SHOULD
BE ASKING WHEN THEY WANTED IT
TO BE FOLLOWED UP WITH HERE ARE
THE DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN
ALLOCATED AND HOW THEY ARE
BEING IMPLEMENTED.
THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE REPORT
I HEARD.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD GIVE YOU A
CHANCE TO SEE IF YOU COULD FILL
IN THE BLANKS FOR THE FOLKS IN
THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE DOLLARS WE
HAVE PUT TOWARDS GUN VIOLENCE
PREVENTION STRATEGIES AND WHAT
THEY ALREADY ARE AND HOW WE HAD
INVESTED IN GUN VIOLENCE
REDUCTION STRATEGIES.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WE DO UPDATES ON THE AMERICAN
RESCUE PLAN ACT AND
IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS THAT
PREDATES THAT EFFORT WITH THE
2022 BUDGET WITH THE BUDGET
CYCLE WHICH AFFECT THE 2021
YEAR AND THEN THE 2022 -- WE
HAVE HAD TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS
OF INVESTMENT IN GUN VIOLENCE
REDUCTIO STRATEGIES.
CAN I GET A QUICK UPDATE ON
WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THOSE
STRATEGIES AND ANYTHING ELSE
YOU MIGHT WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OR
IF SOMETHING IS STILL WAITING
TO BE SPENT?
THANK YOU.
>> I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO
THAT, I THINK SOME OF THAT IS
THROUGH THE HUMAN SERVICES
DEPARTMENT.
WE ALSO SUPPORTED SOME OF THAT
EXTRA FUNDING.
WHEN IT CAME TWO YEARS AGO,
DURING THE THIRD SHOOTING,
AFTER THAT, I REALLY FOCUSED ON
A PUSH TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE
WERE FINDING CRITICAL
RESPONSES.
THAT IS THE VIOLENCE
INTERRUPTERS AND THE
PEACEKEEPERS AND THE
PASSAGEWAYS AND OTHER GROUPS
THAT ARE DOING THE WORK TO TRY
TO STOP RETALIATORY POTENTIALS
AND SHOOTINGS.
I AM REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE
FUNDING OF THOSE PROGRAMS
BECAUSE THEY DO A WHOLE LOT OF
WORK ON THE BACKSIDE TO TRY TO
MAKE SURE THOSE SHOOTINGS ARE
STOPPING.
I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE LEVEL OF
WORK OF EVERYTHING THEY HAVE
DONE BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW OUR
CITY HAS ALREADY EXPERIENCED A
WHOLE HOST OF SHOOTINGS.
LAST YEAR, WE FINISHED WITH 612
SHOOTINGS COMPARED TO 421 THE
YEAR BEFORE.
WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED OFF NOT
ON THE RIGHT FOOT, WE HAVE HAD
HAD 79 SHOOTINGS/SHOTS FIRED
COMPARED TO 42 LAST YEAR.
OUR CITY HAS EXPERIENCED A
WHOLE HOST OF INCREASE OF GUN
VIOLENCE.
IT IS NOT NECESSARILY RELATED
TO YOUTH OR GANG VIOLENCE.
WE ARE SEEING IT IN DIFFERENT
AREAS AND I THINK IN THOSE
INVESTMENTS, WE HAVE ACTUALLY
SEEN IT NOT RISE TO WHAT OTHER
AREAS OF SHOOTINGS HAVE
OCCURRED.
WE ARE SEEING VIOLENCE IN
RANDOM DRIVE-BYS, WHERE UBER
DRIVERS ARE BEING SHOT AT AND
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHOOTINGS.
THERE HAS BEEN A WHOLE HOST OF
DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHOOTINGS
BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN AREAS
WHERE INVESTMENS HAVE BEEN
DONE.
I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL --
THANK YOU FOR THOSE
INVESTMENTS.
I STILL HAVE TO ALSO MAKE SURE
THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO
HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO BE ABLE
TO RESPOND TO ALL THE GREAT
LEVELS OF VIOLENCE OCCURRING AS
WELL.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.
I APPRECIATE THAT, AND HER
PRESS RELEASE NOTICED THAT FOR
A SECOND YEAR IN A ROW.
THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, SOME OF THOSE
INVESTMENTS ARE IN SPD AND HST.
WE INVESTED IN IT, AND THE
CENTRAL DISTRICT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
RESPONDING TO IT AS A PUBLIC
HEALTH APPROACH AND I DO
APPRECIATE YOU NOTED HOW,
DURING THIS PANDEMIC COME WE
HAVE SEEN ALL TYPES OF
INTERPERSONAL VIOLENCE ESCALATES
, AS THE COCHAIR WOULD SAY,
THE SHADOW PANDEMIC THAT HAS
CONTINUED TO PLAGUE OUR
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY
DURING THIS VERY STRESSFUL
TIME.
THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE AND
WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH HSD ON
THAT, TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE OUT
THE DOOR.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN
DO TO HELP STREAMLINE THOSE
DOLLARS, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> CHIEF, I ACTUALLY HAVE MAYBE
A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION AND I
THINK THE DOOR WAS OPEN FROM
COUNCIL MEMBER MOSQUEDA'S LINE
OF QUESTIONING.
IT IS NOT COMPLETELY RESPONSIVE
TO THE AGENDA ITEM BUT I AM THE
CHAIR, SO I WILL ALLOW IT.
I NOTICED AT THE PRESS
CONFERENCE, A COUPLE OF DAYS
AGO, YOU KNOW, A STATISTIC I
REQUESTED FROM COO MAXEY AND
THE POLICE TEAM WAS MENTIONED
IN THAT PRESS CONFERENCE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
DEPARTMENT BEING RESPONSIVE TO
MY INQUIRIES AROUND THIS AND
THAT IS THE NEXUS OF THE
ALARMING SKYROCKETING NEXUS OF
HOMELESSNESS AND SHOOTINGS THAT
WE SAW IN 2021.
IT IS A VERY BIG DRIVER OF THE
INCREASE IN SHOOTINGS.
JUST WANT TO ASK, BASED ON YOUR
TRAINING EXPERIENCE, AS A LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL AND WHAT
YOU HAVE BEEN DOING OVER THE
COURSE OF LAST YEAR, IT HAS
BEEN MY OBSERVATION THAT WHEN
WE HAVE INTERVENTIONS LIKE JUST
CARE, WHERE WE CAN RESPOND TO
AN ENCAMPMENT AND GET EVERYONE
INTO SOME KIND OF SHELTER WITH
BACKGROUND SERVICES AND NOT
HAVE AN ENCAMPMENT DOMINATE A
PUBLIC SPACE BE AT THE -- CITY
HALL PARK, THAT HAS A
CORRESPONDING RELATIONSHIP,
CORRELATION TO THE DECREASE IN
VIOLENCE AND 911 CALLS.
WE ARE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE
ASSISTANCE AND HELP THEY NEED,
AND NOT HAVE A SITUATION WHERE
WE HAVE A LARGE AND UNWIELDY
ENCAMPMENT THAT IS DIFFICULT TO
MANAGE AND MUCH EASIER TO MANAGE
, A SHELTERING SITUATION.
WE HAVE NOT HAD A SHOOTING AND
JUST CARE SHELTER.
I JUST WANT TO HAND IT BACK
OVER TO.
I THINK THAT IT IS AN IMPORTANT
COMPONENT OF WHAT THE RESPONSE
HAS TO BE.
HONESTLY, IT IS AN IMPORTANT
RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH
CRISIS OF THE SHOOTINGS.
WE ARE MOVING SOME OF THE
HAZARDS THAT THE SHOOTINGS
HAPPEN IN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I WANT TO SEE YOUR RESPONSE TO
THAT.
>> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE SERVICES
AND THE SHELTER OPPORTUNITIES
THAT THEY NEED.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THOSE
ENCAMPMENTS THAT GROW AND
DEVELOP INTO SOME BIGGER
ENCAMPMENTS, THEY HAVE THEIR
OWN BLACK MARKETS OR THEIR OWN
ISSUES.
THE THINGS THAT WE ARE
INVESTIGATING ARE ANYTHING FROM
KING TO ROBBERIES TO OTHER
SHOOTINGS AND OTHER AGGRAVATED
TYPES OF ASSAULTS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A
PROCESS IN PLACE THAT PEOPLE
ARE GETTING SERVICES BUT ALSO
NOT ALLOWING FOR THE
ENCAMPMENTS TO BE ENTRENCHED
BECAUSE THAT DOES GENERATE A
WHOLE HOST OF ISSUES, AND SO
THESE ARE THINGS THAT, WHEN I
LOOK AT THE SHOOTINGS AND SHOTS
FIRED, JUST THIS YEAR ALONE,
THEY HAVE HAD A LARGE SHARE OF
THESE SHOOTINGS AND A PART OF
THAT WORK IS TRYING TO ADDRESS
ISSUES AROUND ETHAN KING AND IN
AND AROUND 12 AND JACKSON.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT IS MAKING
SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO
SERVICES.
THEY ARE ALSO ADDRESSING THE
CRIMINAL ELEMENT THAT IS ALSO
VICTIMIZING THOSE THAT ARE DOWN
ON THEIR LUCK AS WELL.
I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE
APPROACH TO ADDRESSING THESE
NEEDS AND WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A
BIG COMPONENT OF ENFORCEMENT
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OTHER
NONPROFITS ARE ABLE TO DO THEIR
WORK AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
ANSWER.
I BELIEVE WE HAD A QUESTION
FROM COUNCILMEMBER NELSON
EARLIER.
DID I SEE THAT CORRECTLY?
OH, YOU WERE WAVING.
>> OKAY.
OKAY, GREAT.
CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR BEING
GENEROUS WITH YOUR TIME.
I KNOW WE WENT A LITTLE LONGER
N THIS ITEM THAN WE
ANTICIPATED AND WE APPRECIATE
THAT BRIEF DIVERSION INTO SOME
OTHER ISSUES.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BY AND
THANK YOU, FOR YOUR SERVICE,
MR. MAXEY.
MR. CLARK, WILL YOU PLEASE READ
AGENDA ITEM 2.
>> THE OEM WINTER WEATHER
RESPONSE DRAFT AFTER ACTION
REPORT FOR BRIEFING AND
DISCUSSION.
>> THAT PANEL JUST MIRACULOUSLY
APPEARED AND THEY ARE READY TO
GO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CLERK.
WE ARE JOINED BY DIRECTOR TERRY
MAYOR AND WE WILL JUMP INTO THE
DRAFT WITH THE WINTER WEATHER
RESPONSE REPORT.
I AM HAPPY TO HAND IT OVER TO
YOU, CURRY MAYER.
I DO NONE OF YOU HAVE OTHERS
JOINING US OR NOT, BUT FEEL
FREE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND
THEN TAKE IT AWAY ON THE
PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR LEWIS AND
COMMITTEE MEMBERS, FOR INVITING
ME TO TALK ABOUT THE WINTER
WEATHER RESPONSE.
I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
GOOD TO BE WITH ALL OF YOU
TODAY.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN?
WILL THAT WORK?
I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION.
>> YES, PLEASE DO.
>> GIVE ME JUST A SECOND HERE.
I WILL BRING THAT UP.
I WILL SHARE WITH YOU JUST SOME
THINGS I PUT TOGETHER AND THEN
I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
AFTER THAT.
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE ALMOST THERE.
THERE WE GO.
HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THE
SCREEN NOW.
>> IT LOOKS GREAT.
THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, COOL.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT
AN AFTER ACTION PROCESS AND
REPORT IS.
SO IT IS COMMON PRACTICE IN
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, FOLLOWING
ANY KIND OF INCIDENT, THAT WE
RESPOND TO OR A LARGE EXERCISE,
THAT WE DO SOMETHING CALLED AN
ACTION REVIEW AND WE PUT
TOGETHER A REPORT.
WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ALLOWS US
TO DO SEVERAL THINGS.
WE GATHER DATA FROM EVERYONE
INVOLVED IN THE RESPONSE AND
ASK A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND
WHAT THINGS DID THEY THINK
WORKED WELL AND WHAT MAYBE WAS
MISSING AND THEN
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT WE
WOULD DO MOVING FORWARD.
WE THEN SHARE THAT INFORMATION
FROM THAT INFORMATION GATHERING
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CLEAR
CATEGORIES OF THINGS WE ASKED
ABOUT, LIKE RESPONSE.
DID YOU FEEL YOU HAVE THE
EQUIPMENT THAT YOU NEEDED AND
WERE THE PROPER PARTNERS THERE
FROM OUTSIDE AGENCIES, THINGS
LIKE THAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT FROM
RESPONSE.
THEN THAT DIRECT REPORT GOES
THROUGH A NUMBER OF THESE
OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
COMMITTEES, AND THEY ARE
DIFFERENT GROUPS OF
STAKEHOLDERS.
THE STRATEGIC WORKING GROUP IS
ACTUALLY THE FIRST GROUP THAT
GETS IN AND THEY ARE A SUBSET
OF THE DISASTER MANAGEMENT
COMMITTEE.
THE WORKING GROUP IS ALL CITY'S
DEPARTMENT PARTNERS AND THE
DISASTER MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE
INVOLVES OUTSIDE STAKEHOLDERS.
THAT'S A TRANSIT, METRO,
UTILITIES, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE
AGENCIES THAT WOULD COME IN AND
HELP, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE
EVENT IN, THAT WOULD HAVE SOME
INVOLVEMENT.
THAT DISASTER MANAGEMENT
COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT THIS
REPORT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHY
IT IS NOT FINALIZED YET.
THEN IT GOES TO THE EMERGENCY
EXECUTIVE BOARD, WHICH IS THIS
COMMITTEE OF THE DEPARTMENT
DIRECTORS OF THE OPERATIONAL
DEPARTMENT.
THEY THINK OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS
THAT WOULD HAVE RESOURCES,
EITHER PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE OR
EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD BE
INVOLVED IN THE RESPONSE IN
SOME WAY.
ONCE THEY APPROVE IT, THEN IT
GOES TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THEY THEN GO TO COUNCIL AND WE
THEN ARE ABLE TO SUBMIT IT FOR
A PUBLICATION.
THEN WE PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING
CALLED AN IMPROVEMENT PLAN OF
RECOMMENDATIONS, FOLLOWING THAT
FINAL APPROVAL OF THE PLAN.
THAT IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS THE
PIECE THAT TALKS ABOUT -- THE
PLAN, IF YOU WILL, WITH
DEPARTMENT NEEDS FOR EACH OF
THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT TALK
ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS WE
NEED TO EITHER DO DIFFERENTLY
OR WE ARE MISSING OR OUTSIDE
PARTNERS MAYBE THAT WERE NOT
INVOLVED FROM THE LAST TIME,
MOVING FORWARD, THEN WE KNOW,
YOU KNOW, IT IS A CONSTANT
CONTINUOUS PROCESS OF
IMPROVEMENT.
ALSO, THE IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS
NOT MEANT TO BE A CRITICISM.
IT IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
US TO EXCEL EVEN MORE SO THE
NEXT TIME WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF
EVENT.
SOME PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE
SENSITIVE WHEN THEY HEAR
"IMPROVEMENT PLAN," BUT WHEN
THEY HEAR HUMANS ARE INVOLVED,
THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR
IMPROVEMENT, RIGHT?
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- THAT IS
THE PROCESS.
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PRE-EVENT
COORDINATION.
THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT GET DAILY WEATHER
BRIEFS FROM THE NATIONAL
WEATHER SERVICE.
SO WE ARE ALWAYS PAYING
ATTENTION TO HOW THAT MIGHT
IMPACT WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE DO
FOR THE CITY.
REALLY, HOW HER AIM, ALL OF THE
TIME, IS TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE
NOT ANY EVENTS THAT WILL IMPACT
YOU FOR THE PAVLENKA WAS
ABILITY TO GET AROUND THE CITY
OR DO THEIR DAILY JOBS FOR THE
CITY'S ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE
SERVICES THAT WE DO ALL THE
TIME.
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
SHOWS THERE WAS GOING TO BE
THIS PROLONGED PERIOD OF
EXTREME COLD AND SNOW THAT
WOULD IMPACT SEATTLE, DECEMBER
INTO JANUARY.
SO WE BEGAN COORDINATING WITH
CITY DEPARTMENTS AND THAT
ENTAILS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN
YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE,
DEPARTMENTS LIKE TRANSPORTATION
OR CITYWIDE OR PUBLIC UTILITIES
OR PARKS AND REC, WHAT ARE YOU
DOING SPECIFIC TO YOUR
OPERATIONS TO GET READY FOR
THIS EXTREME COLD EVENT?
RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, HSD
IDENTIFIED TWO OVERNIGHT
SHELTER SITES THAT THEY START
WITH AND THEN SEEING HOW THINGS
WORK AND IF WE NEEDED
ADDITIONAL SITES, SOMETHING
CALLED THE JOINT INFORMATION
CENTER, WHICH HAS PUBLIC
INFORMATION OFFICERS FROM ALL
DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED TO GET
TOGETHER AND WRITE EMERGENCY
MESSAGING AND TALK ABOUT --
HAVING THE MEDIA HELP US GET
THE MESSAGE OUT FOR FOLKS, THAT
THE WEATHER IS GOING TO BE
HAZARDOUS AND WHAT PEOPLE CAN
DO.
YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH
THIS THING CALLED ALERTSEATTLE.
WE SENT MESSAGES TO ABOUT
57,000 SUBSCRIBERS THAT WEATHER
WAS GOING TO BE HAZARDOUS AND
WHAT THEY COULD DO TO PREPARE
FOR THAT.
THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE
THINGS BUT AS I MENTIONED, WE
ALSO TALKED WITH TRANSPORTATION
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED
IN KEEPING SEATTLE MOBILE AND
LOOKING AT CLEARING STREETS AND
CITY LIGHT COME IN CASE THERE
WERE POWER OUTAGES.
ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS, WE
STARTED COORDINATING WITH
IMMEDIATELY.
SO, THEN THE FORECAST SAID,
FROM DECEMBER 25th, ON
CHRISTMAS, INTO THE NEW YEAR,
THAT, IN FACT, IT BECAME A
REALITY AND WE HAD A
SIGNIFICANT SNOW AND THEY WERE
FORECASTING 2 TO 8 INCHES.
DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU WERE IN
SEATTLE, YOU GOT QUITE A BIT OF
SNOW OVER THE CHRISTMAS
HOLIDAY.
WE ACTIVATED THE -- WE WOULD
CUT DOWN ON WORKERS HAVING TO
TRY TO GET AROUND AND WE COULD
DO THAT COORDINATION THAT WE
HAD A LOT OF PRACTICE WITH
BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
WE WORKED VIRTUALLY AND
ACTIVATED RIGHT AFTER CHRISTMAS
THROUGH THE THIRD OF JANUARY.
WE HAD 25 AGENCIES INVOLVED AND
CITY DEPARTMENTS AND OUTSIDE
PARTNERS AND OUTSIDE PARTNERS
WERE METRO TRANSIT, PUGET SOUND
ENERGY, FOLKS LIKE THAT THAT
WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN
THIS TYPE OF EVENT.
THE MAJOR ISSUES WERE SNOW
MANAGEMENT, OF COURSE, WITH
TRANSFORMATION AS THE LEAD AND
ALSO EMERGENCY SHELTERING.
THIS ALSO LANDED ON THIS
TRANSITION OF HOMELESS AND
EMERGENCY SHELTERING FOR THOSE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
IT BEGAN WITH HSD AND
TRANSITIONED TO THE KING COUNTY
HOMELESSNESS AUTHORITY.
THAT TRANSITION WAS GOING ON
WHILE THIS WAS HAPPENING, THAT
KIND OF BATON PASSING.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MY
OFFICE AND MY TEAM SPENT A LOT
OF TIME, BOTH WITH HSD AND THE
KING COUNTY REGIONAL
HOMELESSNESS AUTHORITY TO MAKE
SURE THAT TRANSITION WORKED
WELL.
WE WANTED TO BE CONNECTED.
I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT BATON
TOSSING DID GO WELL.
THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES.
WE HAD THIS PERFECT STORM --
THE COVID OMICRON VARIANT WAS,
YOU KNOW, WAS SPREADING
THROUGHOUT. THERE WERE A LOT OF
STAFFING CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF
THAT AND THE HOLIDAYS AND THEN
WE HAVE THIS HUGE NEED FOR
DRIVERS WITH COMMERCIAL DRIVERS
LICENSES, NOT ONLY FOR PLOWING,
BUT FOR OTHER EQUIPMENT NEEDS,
SO IT WAS DEFINITELY AN
INTERESTING CHALLENGE.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET WHAT WE
NEEDED BUT IT WAS CHALLENGING
FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THESE ARE JUST A REMINDER OF
THE OVERALL OBJECTIVES FOR THIS
ENTIRE RESPONSE.
SO, MAINTAINING SITUATIONAL
AWARENESS, SO THAT DEPARTMENTS
COULD RESPOND TOGETHER, NOT
BEING AWAY FROM EACH OTHER AND
ALSO HELPING EACH OTHER AND
ALSO COORDINATING SUPPORT FOR
THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE
SEVERE WEATHER SHELTERS AND IF
THERE SHOULD BE A NEED FOR
GENERAL POPULATION SHELTERS AND
UTILITIES, THE HEALTH IMPACTS,
SO IF WE DID HAVE CONGREGANT
SHELTER IN, HOW ARE WE MAKING
SURE BOTH THOSE WHO WERE COMING
TO THE SHELTER AND THE WORKERS
WERE, IN FACT, PROTECTED?
WE ALSO COORDINATED ACTIONS AND
RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN CITY
SERVICES, INCLUDING PUBLIC
SAFETY, AND WE ALSO COORDINATED
CONSISTENT MESSAGING WITH A
COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER AND
EMPLOYEES, SO THAT THERE WERE
FEW AVENUES OF MESSAGES GOING
OUT, SO YOU'RE NOT HEARING
THINGS FROM DIFFERENT PLACES
AND THEY COULD BECOME CONFIDENT
THAT THOSE MESSAGES WERE
COORDINATED WITH THE
APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS.
SO, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER
THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT ABOUT THE
RESPONSE.
MAYOR DURKAN SIGNED AN
EMERGENCY ORDER TO PROVIDE
MONETARY INCENTIVES FOR
FRONTLINE WORKERS AND SHELTER
SERVICE PROVIDERS.
WE HAD A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES
WHO VOLUNTEERED TO GO AND HELP
THE SHELTER SERVICE PROVIDERS .
THERE WAS SUCH A BIG NEED
BECAUSE IT WAS SO COLD AND
THERE WAS SO MUCH SNOW.
WE OPENED WARMING CENTERS,
WHICH MEANS THEY ARE OPEN FOR
JUST -- THEY'RE NOT 24 OUR
SHELTERS.
THOSE WERE AT ALL THE
COMMUNITY, FIVE COMMUNITY
CENTERS, CITY HALL, AND THE
ARMORY, AND SOME OF THE
LIBRARIES WERE ALSO OPEN.
THEN WE OPENED OTHER SHELTERS,
A CITY CENTER EXHIBITION HALL,
HOUSING ALLIANCE, AND THEN IT
SHOULD SAY FIVE ADDITIONAL
LOCATIONS.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
NOT SIX.
THOSE WERE NORTH SEATTLE, AND
THEN THE WAS THE AMERICAN
LEGION POST IN WEST SEATTLE,
AND SEATTLE CITY HALL, A CHURCH
CALLED "GOD'S LITTLE ACRE" AND
THE SEATTLE MENNONITE CHURCH.
THEY THEN TOOK OVER THE LEAD
FOR SHELTERING FROM HSD, AND
JUST A REMINDER, I KNOW YOU
HEARD FROM SDOT SEPARATELY, BUT
THEY WERE IN 24-HOUR
SEPARATIONS AND THERE WAS A
NUMBER OF DRIVERS AND
EQUIPMENT OPERATORS FROM OTHER
AREAS LIKE PARKS AND REC AND
UTILITIES WHO WERE ABLE TO
ASSIST SDOT BECAUSE THEY WERE
IN 24 HOUR OPERATIONS FOR A
SOLID OVER TWO WEEKS.
FAS WAS ALSO ON A 24 HOUR
SCHEDULE TO SUPPORT SDOT
EQUIPMENT NEEDS.
IN SPITE OF THE FACT WE HAD
UNPRECEDENTED SNOWFALL, WE
REALLY, I THINK, WE DID A GOOD
JOB OF COORDINATING RESOURCE
SUPPORT . OH, AND AT THE PEAK
OF THE EVENT, THERE WERE 379
BEDS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, AND
ALSO THAT THERE WERE OVER 2000
OVERNIGHT STATES PROVIDED
THROUGH JANUARY.
THROUGH JANUARY 3rd.
SO, THAT INCLUDES MY OVERVIEW
OF THE AFTER-ACTION REPORT, AND
I AM HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS .
I WILL TRY TO NOT -- HERE WE
GO.
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
PRESENTATION.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS BUT IT
OOKS LIKE MEMBER MOSQUEDA
RAISED HER HAND.
I AM HAPPY TO SEE HER FIRST AND
I WILL GO DOWN MY LIST.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA, YOU ARE
RECOGNIZED.
>> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
PERHAPS YOU CAN ADDRESS THEM.
ONE IS GIVEN HOW FREQUENTLY WE
ARE ANTICIPATING THESE
EMERGENCY WEATHER SITUATIONS TO
COME WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, HOW
ARE YOU WORKING TO START
OPERATIONAL RESPONSES LIKE THE
ONES WE HAVE HAD LAST YEAR AND
THE YEAR BEFORE, BOTH TO
EXTREME COLD AND EXTREME HEAT
AND SMOKE, ET CETERA?
IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO NOT
SEE IT AS A SURPRISE EMERGENCY,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
HOW DO WE BAKE IT IN?
AND THEN -- ONE OF THE SHELTERS
WAS THE SALVATION ARMY, I
BELIEVE, JUST UP THE HILL, FROM
DELL RIDGE.
THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT THEY
WERE ON THE LIST OF EMERGENCY
SHELTERS.
ONE INDIVIDUAL IS A VOLUNTEER
AND HE WAS NOT GIVEN A HEADS UP
ABOUT THEIR LOCATION BEING ON
THE LIST, AND I UNDERSTAND HE
WAS SPENDING THE NIGHT THERE
BECAUSE OF THE STAFFING NEEDS
AND NOT HAVING ENOUGH
VOLUNTEERS TO MAKE THE CALL FOR
VOLUNTEERS TO COME IN.
DO YOU KNOW IF THAT IS JUST AN
OUTLIER?
HOW DO WE DO A BETTER JOB OF
NOTIFYING ORGANIZATIONS WHO
HAVE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL
STAFF WHEN THAT COMES?
>> YEAH.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THOSE
QUESTIONS.
SO, FIRST, WE ALWAYS COME WITH
WEATHER, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
TIME BECAUSE WE GET THE
BRIEFINGS FROM THE NATIONAL
WEATHER SERVICE, HOWEVER, THEY
HAVE A NUMBER OF PLANS AT THE
OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
THAT WE OPERATIONALIZE AND
PRACTICE WITH OTHER CITY
DEPARTMENTS , SO THAT WE ARE
PRACTICING HOW WE WOULD RESPOND
TO DIFFERENT EVENTS ALL THE
TIME.
SO THERE IS A TIME WHERE WE ARE
CAUGHT OFF GUARD.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE COULD
NOT BE SOME FREAK WEATHER
EVENTS THAT CATCHES US
OFFGUARD.
THAT COULD DEFINITELY HAPPEN.
BUT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PLANS
AND THE TRAINING AND PRACTICE
TIME TO OPERATIONALIZE THOSE
AND WE DO THAT ON A REGULAR
BASIS.
IN FACT, THERE IS SOMETHING
HAPPENING NOW IN EMERGENCY
OPERATIONS CENTER WITH OUR CITY
DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES, TO
WALK THROUGH IN PERSON
TRAINING, WHICH WE HAVE NOT
DONE IN QUITE SOME TIME BECAUSE
OF THE PANDEMIC.
THAT WAY, EVERYBODY STAYS UP TO
SPEED ON THOSE SKILLS AND
COORDINATION TECHNIQUES THAT
THEY MIGHT NOT USE ALL THE TIME.
SO, WE DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE
BEEN DOING, STARTING THIS LAST
YEAR IS LOOKING AT WHAT ARE
SOME MITIGATION THINGS WE CAN
DO FOR EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS?
WHERE THERE ARE OTHER CITY
FACILITIES AND PARTNERED
LOCATIONS, WHERE CAN WE USE
THEM FOR BOTH HEAT AND COLD?
WE ARE DOING THAT.
WE ARE STARTING THAT RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE TWO EFFORTS.
ONE IS LOOKING AT WHAT ARE ALL
DEPARTMENTS DOING THAT COULD BE
CONSIDERED MITIGATION EFFORTS
FOR EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS AND
WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE
MISSING, DOING THAT ASSESSMENT,
WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING NOW AND
WHAT IS MISSING?
ALSO, LOOKING AT, WE HAVE A
BETTER COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OR
WHAT THEY NEED THAT WE CAN USE.
HOW ARE -- CAN PEOPLE GET TO
THEM QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, BY BUS
OR WALKING OR SOMETHING ELSE?
THAT IS SOMETHING.
TRANSPORTATION IS ALWAYS AN
ISSUE.
AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, IN A SNOW
EVENT, IT IS HARD TO MOVE
PEOPLE.
WE DID DO THAT.
WE DID MOVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,
TO SHELTER SIDES, BUT IT CAN BE
AN ISSUE.
WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT --
LOOK AT ALL THOSE PLACES WHERE
WE MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO A
FACILITY THAT COULD BE USED TO
HOUSE PEOPLE.
SO, THEN THE MISIDENTIFICATION
OF THE SALVATION ARMY FACILITY,
WE STILL DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY
HOW THAT HAPPENED, WHY THAT WAS
ON THE LIST.
SO WE ARE STILL INVESTIGATING
THAT AS PART OF THE WORK WE ARE
DOING WITH THIS AFTER ACTION.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO
MOVING FORWARD FOR PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IS
GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THE KING
COUNTY REGIONAL HOMELESS
AUTHORITY.
AS YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THE LEAD
FOR ALL OF KING COUNTY.
WE ARE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THEM.
I SPENT SOME TIME WITH THEM,
TALKING ABOUT HOW EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT WORKS AND HOW ACCESS
TO CITY FACILITIES AND
RESOURCES OCCUR, SO THEY ARE
REALLY PLUGGED INTO US AND THEY
UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
SO, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT
THAT, BUT IT IS THEM AS THE
LEAD AND US IN MORE OF A
SUPPORT ROLE.
BUT ONCE I FIND OUT ABOUT THE
SALVATION ARMY, I'M HAPPY TO
CIRCLE BACK AND FIND OUT.
THAT WAS NOT A GOOD THING,
SORRY.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU.
I HAVE A RELATED BUT SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT QUESTION. THIS IS
ABOUT LOOKING FORWARD TO
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS.
HOPEFULLY, WE WILL NOT HAVE
ANOTHER EXTREME SNOW WEATHER
EVENT THIS YEAR.
YOU NEVER KNOW.
BUT IN TERMS OF LOOKING FORWARD
TO THE SUMMER AND THE
POSSIBILITY OF HAVING ANOTHER
EXTREME HEAT WEATHER EVENT, HOW
APPLICABLE ARE SOME OF THESE
LESSONS LEARNED TO MITIGATING
EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS IN
GENERAL AND HOW COULD THEY BE
TWEAKED TO BE INSTRUCTIVE WITH
PREPARATION FOR JUNE AND JULY?
I ONLY MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, I THINK OVER THE LAST
TWO YEARS, I HAVE BEEN ON THE
COUNCIL NOW THROUGH AT LEAST
THREE PRETTY SEVERE WEATHER
EVENTS THAT HAD MASSIVE
CONSEQUENCES AND, SIMILARLY,
SEEM TO HAVE PRODUCED SIMILAR
LESSONS.
I'M GLAD WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS
AFTER ACTION REPORT AND
ADAPTING RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS VERY WELCOME, A WELCOME
CHANGE FROM HOW WE RESPONDED
THE PREVIOUS COUPLE YEARS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT
IN A POSITION WHERE IF THERE IS
ANOTHER HEAT OF AND OR HEAT
WAVE, THAT WE ARE SIMILARLY IN
A POSITION WHERE WE LOOK BACK
ON, YOU KNOW, AN INADEQUATE
RESPONSE AND THINK, OH, BOY,
WISH WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN TO DO
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THIS MOMENT TO --
WE WANT TO KNOW THAT IS LIKELY
THE NEXT ONE WE WILL FACE.
>> RIGHT, RIGHT.
>> I DO NOT KNOW.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT.
HAVING COME FROM CALIFORNIA, I
WAS REALLY SHOCKED WHEN I FIRST
CAME HERE NOT EVERYONE HAD AIR
CONDITIONING.
I THINK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE
OF THE CHALLENGES HERE, THAT SO
MANY PLACES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE
DO NOT HAVE AIR CONDITIONING
AND EVEN SOME OF OUR CITY
FACILITIES DO NOT.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I WILL GO BACK TO WHAT YOU
ASKED FIRST, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS, ABOUT ARE WE PREPARED
FOR THE NEXT -- IF WE SHOULD
MOVE FROM NOW TO A HEAT EVENT.
THE RESPONSE PIECE IS GOING TO
BE RELATIVELY THE SAME IN TERMS
-- WHO DO NOT WANT TO CLEAR
SNOW, RIGHT?
WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO CLEAR
STREETS.
WE WILL NOT SO MUCH FOCUS ON
OUR PEOPLE ABLE TO GET AROUND
THE CITY AND FOCUS MORE ON WHAT
DO PEOPLE NEED TO STAY COOL AND
GET OUT OF THE HOT WEATHER?
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE
ARE WORKING ON.
ONE IS SHORTER-TERM AND ONE IS
MORE LONG-TERM.
THE LONG-TERM HAS A COUPLE
COMPONENTS TO IT.
THE SHORT TERM LIKE LAST YEAR
IS GOING TO BE, ONE, HOW DO WE
HELP PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME,
AHEAD OF THE EXTREME EVENTS,
AND UNDERSTAND THAT, ONE, THE
EVENT IS COMING, AND WHERE CAN
THEY GO TO COOL OFF IF THEY
LIVE IN A PLACE THAT DOES NOT
HAVE AIR CONDITIONING?
SO THAT IS THE FIRST THING.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR
PLACES AND I MENTIONED A WHILE
AGO THAT ASSESSMENT THAT WE CAN
USE IN A SNOW EVENT, THE OTHER
PIECE OF THAT IS WHAT ARE THE
CITY FACILITIES WE CAN USE THAT
HAVE AIR CONDITIONING, TO KEEP
PEOPLE COOL.
SO, THAT IS AN ONGOING PIECE.
THE OTHER LONGER-TERM FOR HEAT
EVENTS IS THIS.
WHEN WE HAVE APPLIED FOR SOME
MONEY COME FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AND THERE IS ONE FOR
LIBRARIES TO INSTALL AIR
CONDITIONING.
THEY CAN SERVE AS COOLING
CENTERS.
WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT APPLYING
FOR GRANT MONEY, FOR OTHER
HOUSING THAT DOES NOT HAVE AIR
CONDITIONING AND LOOKING AT
SOME OTHER WAYS WE CAN HELP
PEOPLE GET COOL AND IF IT IS
NOT CONDITIONING, ARE THERE
OTHER METHODS OF COOLING THAT
CAN BE USED, INSTALLED, OR
USED, THAT ARE NOT AS
EXPENSIVE, SO WE CAN HELP THOSE
APARTMENTS OR OTHER KINDS OF
HOUSING THAT DOES NOT HAVE
COOLING CAPABILITIES?
THE LONGER TERM, OF COURSE,
APPLYING FOR THE GRANT MONEY AND
DOING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE
BUILDINGS WILL TAKE SOME TIME,
AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE
LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES THAT WE
CAN GO AND HOW CAN WE PARTNER
WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, TO LOOK AT
WHERE PLACES WE CAN TAKE
PEOPLE, EITHER TRANSPORT THEM
OR HELP THEM GET TO A PLACE
WHERE THEY CAN STAY COOL.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT
BE TOTALLY FIXED UNTIL WE ARE
ABLE TO DO SOME OF THOSE
IMPROVEMENTS ON BUILDINGS THAT
ARE OLDER AND DO NOT HAVE
COOLING CAPABILITIES.
>> I THINK THAT HIS WORK WE ARE
LOOK FORWARD TO OVER THE NEXT
COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE TIME ON OUR
HANDS TO PREPARE AND PLAN,
GIVEN THAT IT IS STILL CHILLY
OUTSIDE.
BUT I CAN SEE THAT -- THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR THAT ANSWER.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
OKAY, SEEING NONE.
DIRECTOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US THIS MORNING.
I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO
WORK ON THESE CRITICAL ISSUES.
>> AKAMAI APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING
ME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> TAKE CARE.
>> OKAY, MR. CLERK, WILLIE REED
OUR THIRD AND FINAL AGENDA ITEM
INTO THE RECORD?
>> NUMBER THREE, THE PAY-UP
POLICY PROPOSAL UPDATE /DRAFT
LEGISLATION.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO THIS WILL BE A BRIEFING AND
DISCUSSION.
WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO VOTE ON
ANYTHING BUT DEFINITELY LOOKING
TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM
COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE
CENTRAL STAFF PRESENTATION.
WE WANT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON
SOME WORK THAT CHAIR HERBOLD
AND MYSELF, ACTUALLY, HAVE BEEN
DOING ON MINIMUM COMPENSATION
LEGISLATION FOR GIG ECONOMY
WORKERS.
SO, I WILL GO AHEAD AND HANDED
OVER TO OUR PANEL, WHICH
CONSISTS OF AMY GORE AND KARINA
BULL.
KARINA BULL, DO YOU WANT TO
INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN
HANDED OFF TO ANY?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I AM WITH COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF.
>> I AM AMY GORE AND I AM WITH
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF, THANK
YOU.
>> THIS MORNING, THERE IS AN
INFORMATIONAL BRIEFING ON THE
MINIMUM PAYMENT ORDINANCE AND I
AM PULLING UP A PRESENTATION.
IT SHOULD BE BEFORE YOU NOW.
THIS PRESENTATION IS SEVERAL
PARTS TO IT AND TO KEEP
EVERYONE ENGAGED, AND TO MAKE
SURE I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR
QUESTIONS, I WILL TAKE ABOUT
FOUR BRAKES TO SEE IF THERE ARE
ANY INQUIRIES, AND AMY IS ALSO
HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS
WELL.
TO BEGIN, THIS PAY UP PROPOSAL
IS ADDRESSING A SUITE OF LABOR
STANDARDS FOR WORKERS WHO ARE
TREATED AS INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS BY NETWORK
COMPANIES AND THESE PROPOSALS
WILL BE GROUPED INTO A NUMBER
OF BILLS AND COVER A RANGE OF
TOPICS, RANGING FROM MINIMUM
PAYMENT TO RIGHTS AGAINST
UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION AND
PROTECTIONS AGAINST
DISCRIMINATION AND OTHER ITEMS.
SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE SO
INTERCONNECTED THAT THEY ARE
GROUPED TOGETHER IN ORDINANCES,
SUCH AS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
DISCUSS THIS MORNING.
THIS IS THE MINIMUM PAYMENT
ORDINANCE.
SO, THE MAIN ISSUES THAT ARE
ADDRESSED IN THIS DRAFT
LEGISLATION THAT I WILL PRESENT
TODAY INCLUDE MINIMUM PAYMENT,
TRANSPARENCY, AND FLEXIBILITY.
JUST AS BACKGROUND, THE REASON
FOR THESE ORDINANCES, AS A
REFERENCE, IS WORKERS THAT ARE
WORKING FOR THESE NETWORK
COMPANIES, WHETHER THEY ARE
DELIVERING FOOD OR GROCERIES OR
GOING TO SOMEONE'S HOME TO PUT
TOGETHER FURNITURE OR TAKE
ITEMS TO BE THROWN AWAY AT THE
DUMP, THEY ARE HIRED AS
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS AND
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHTS OF
EMPLOYEES, WHICH RANGE FROM
MINIMUM WAGE STANDARDS TO
PROTECT IT LEADS TO A WHOLE
HOST OF OTHER ISSUES.
THIS PROPOSAL IS SEEKING TO
REMEDY SOME OF THOSE ABSENCES
OF PROTECTIONS AND THIS
LEGISLATION IS FOCUSING
SPECIFICALLY ON PAYMENT,
TRANSPARENCY, AND FLEXIBILITY.
CONSISTENT WITH OTHER LABOR
STANDARDS, THERE IS A NOTICE OF
RIGHTS THAT COMPANY'S DUTY TO
ROVIDE FOR WORKERS AND
RECORDKEEPING REQUIREMENTS AND
PRINTED RETALIATION AND IT
WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED BY THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS.
RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT IS
ENFORCING AND IMPLEMENTING ABOUT
18 DIFFERENT LABOR STANDARDS
FOR SEATTLE'S WORKERS.
UP UNTIL THIS POINT, THERE HAS
BEEN EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT.
COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL REMEMBER
THAT LAST SPRING, WHEN THE
COUNCIL PASSED AN INDEPENDENT
ORDINANCE, THERE WAS A
COMMITMENT BY COUNCIL TO
CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL FOR
WORKERS, INCLUDING MINIMUM
PAYMENT AND THE OTHER
PROTECTIONS AS WELL.
SINCE LAST SUMMER, THERE HAVE
BEEN OVER 10 STAKEHOLDER
MEETINGS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS
HAVE LED WITH WORKERS, WORKER
ADVOCATES, COMPANIES, AND ALSO
LABOR STANDARDS AND CIVIL
RIGHTS.
THEY HAVE COORDINATED WITH
COUNCIL OFFICES IN THE
BACKGROUND.
FOR COUNCIL COMMITTEES, THIS IS
THE THIRD COMMITTEE.
THIS IS -- FOR SOME COUNCIL
MEMBERS, THIS SLIDESHOW WILL BE
FAMILIAR, ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN
UPDATED SINCE THE PREVIOUS TWO
PRESENTATIONS.
SO, AT ITS HEART, THIS
ORDINANCE IS SEEKING TO PROVIDE
OR ENSURE PAYMENT OF MINIMUM
WAGE, PLUS PAYMENT FOR
EXPENSES, WITH A PERMANENT --
ENGAGED TIME TO PERFORM EACH
OFFER.
THE LEGISLATED WOULD COVER AT
BASED WORKERS WHO ARE ACCEPTING
OFFERS TO PERFORM PHYSICAL
SERVICES FOR PAY AND THAT WOULD
BE FACILITATED OR PRESENTED BY
A NETWORK OF COMPANIES AND
WORKER PLATFORMS.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE
ARE THE WORKERS WHO ARE
DELIVERING THE GROCERIES AND
THEY ARE DELIVERING THE FOOD
AND THEY ARE DELIVERING FROM
ANY RETAIL STORE THAT IS
OFFERED BY THE NETWORK COMPANY.
THEY COULD COME TO SOMEONE'S
HOME TO TAKE CARE OF PETS AND
TO CLEAN THE HOUSE AND TO PUT
TOGETHER A CLASS IT OR WHATNOT.
THERE IS A WIDE RANGE OF
SERVICES LIKE STAFFING, DOING
LAUNDRY, MANY, MANY DIFFERENT
SERVICES.
IT IS QUITE BROAD BUT THERE ARE
A NUMBER OF ONLINE ORDERS AND
WORKERS THAT ARE WORKING WITH
THE ATTIC THAT ARE NOT COVERED
WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THIS
LEGISLATIVE.
THAT INCLUDES THOSE ACCEPTING
OFFERS FOR GOODS AND REAL
ESTATE AND LICENSED
PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS,
IDENTIFYING THOSE PROFESSIONAL
SERVICES BY RULES.
IT MIGHT BE ARCHITECTURE OR IT
MIGHT BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
THINGS, CREATIVE WORKS.
SO, IF A PERSON IS CONNECTING
WITH AN AT BASED WORKERS TO
DEVELOP A PLAN FOR A BUSINESS
OR A FINANCIAL PLAN FOR A
PERSONAL FINANCE THING, THOSE
WOULD BE WHOLLY DIGITAL
SURFACES THAT WOULD NOT BE
COVERED BY THIS LEGISLATION.
SIMILARLY, IF A CONSUMER IS
CONNECTING WITH A APP-BASED
WORKER TO MAKE A QUILT OR TO
MAKE A T-SHIRT OR SOMETHING
ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE
CONSIDERED A SALE OF GOODS
THAT WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY
THIS LEGISLATION.
NOTABLY, THE LEGISLATION WOULD
NOT COVER WORKERS THAT ARE
PROVIDING FOR HIGHER VEHICLE
SERVICES.
THE TMC DRIVERS ARE COVERED BY
ANOTHER LEGISLATION THAT
REQUIRES A MINIMUM COMPENSATION
FOR THOSE WORKERS.
NETWORK COMPANIES WOULD BE
THOSE THAT ARE PROVIDING THESE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR WORK, TO
WORKERS THAT ARE LARGER.
THEY WOULD HAVE 250 OR MORE APP-
BASED WORKERS.
SOME ARE EXCLUDED, INCLUDING
THOSE WHERE IT IS PURELY A
FACILITATION BETWEEN THE WORKER
AND THE COMPANY -- NOT THE
WORKER, THE CONTRACTOR AND THE
COMPANY, TRANSMITTING PAYMENT
AND ADVERTISING BOARDS, THEY
HESITATE TO IDENTIFY SERVICES.
I THINK THERE IS AN EXAMPLE
LIKE CRAIGSLIST, WHERE IT IS
PURELY AN INTERMEDIATELY
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE APP
AND THOSE WITH THE SERVICES.
SO, THAT IS AN OVERVIEW OF
COVERAGE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
THAT PART OF THE LEGISLATION?
>> TO ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS
HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THIS FIRST
SEGMENT OF THE PRESENTATION?
I AM SEEING NONE.
YOU MAY CONTINUE.
>> THANK YOU.
SO, THE MINIMUM PAYMENT
STRUCTURE, AS I MENTIONED TO --
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
>> I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
FIVE AND SIX.
>> I THINK -- CENTRAL STAFF HAS
STRUCTURED IT IN SUCH A WAY
WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE
CARE OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE.
I THINK THAT WORKS FINE.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU
HAVE DONE ON THIS FOR A LONG
TIME NOW.
SO, TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
DOES THIS LEGISLATION COVER APP-
BASED DOMESTIC WORKERS LIKE
BABYSITTERS?
WE KNOW THERE ARE APPS THAT
PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR AND SIGN
WORKERS, VIA THOSE APPS.
IF THE ANSWER IS YES, HOW DOES
THIS LEGISLATION INTERACT, IF
AT ALL COME WITH POWER DOMESTIC
WORKERS BILL OF RIGHTS?
THE SECOND QUESTION IS IT SEEMS
LIKE THIS COULD COVER A WHOLE
HOST OF WORKERS.
HAVING TROUBLE IMAGINING ALL
THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORKERS
WHO OFFER SERVICES VIA AN APP.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THIS
DEFINITION IS BROAD AND FORWARD-
LOOKING BECAUSE OF THE CHANGING
NATURE OF WORK, GENERALLY BUT
DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW THIS
APPLIES TO THE CURRENT UNIVERSE
AND THE BREADTH OF THE TYPE OF
WORKERS GIVEN THE VARIOUS APPS
THAT ARE OUT THERE?
>> THANK YOU FOR THOSE
QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT DOMESTIC
WORKERS AND, YES, THIS
LEGISLATION COULD COVER
DOMESTIC WORKERS WHO ARE
OBTAINING WORK THROUGH A
NETWORK COMPANY PLATFORM.
IT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT THE
RELATIONSHIP IS BETWEEN DATA
NETWORK COMPANY AND THE
DOMESTIC WORKERS.
IF IT IS PURELY AN INTERMEDIARY
RELATIONSHIP, WHERE THE COMPANY
IS NOT ACCEPTING PAYMENT AND IT
IS NOT IN ANY WAY MONITORING OR
CONTROLLING THE PERSON'S WORK
AND THEIR ABILITY TO APPEAR ON
THE PLATFORM, THAT WOULD NOT BE
COVERED, HOWEVER, WHEN THE
COMPANY IS TAKING A ROLE WITH
ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE
WORKER, ACCEPTING PAYMENT,
PERFORMING BACKGROUND CHECKS,
THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES,
CONTROLLING PAYMENT,
CONTROLLING WHERE THE WORKER
CAN AND CANNOT BE, BASED ON
PERFORMANCE OR FEEDBACK ON THE
APP, THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS
WOULD WARRANT COVERAGE BY THIS
LEGISLATION.
IF SO, THOSE WORKERS WOULD BE
COVERED BOTH BY THE BILL OF
RIGHTS ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS
THIS.
THIS ORDINANCE SETS A FLOOR FOR
PAYMENT OF MINIMUM WAGE FOR
THOSE WORKERS AND IT STATES
THAT SUCH WORKERS HAVE TO BE
PAID AT LEAST THE MINIMUM WAGE
BY SMALL EMPLOYERS.
THIS ORDINANCE PROVIDES MORE
PROTECTIONS, SO THIS IS THE ONE
THAT WOULD CONTROL THE MINIMUM
WAGE THAT WOULD APPLY TO THOSE
WORKERS BECAUSE COMPANIES UNDER
THIS ORDINANCE ARE CONSIDERED A
LARGE EMPLOYER AND MUST PAY THE
LARGE EMPLOYER MINIMUM WAGE.
IT IS HIGHER FOR A COUPLE MORE
YEARS AND THEN ALL EMPLOYERS
WILL PAY THE SAME MINIMUM WAGE.
THAT IS ACROSS SEATTLE.
IN THIS LEGISLATION, THEY ALSO
PAY FOR REASONABLE EXPENSES.
DOMESTIC WORKERS COVERED BY
THIS LEGISLATION WILL END UP
EARNING MORE THAN WHAT THEY
WOULD BE OWED UNDER THE
DOMESTIC WORKER BILL OF RIGHTS,
WHICH IS JUST A FLAT MINIMUM
WAGE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE
PAYMENT FOR REASONABLE EXPENSES
AND MILES.
>> A QUICK FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
THAT IS A YES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO, OKAY, I THINK I UNDERSTAND
THE DIFFERENCE.
IF THERE IS A TRANSACTION WHERE
THE APP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT,
THAT THEY ARE MANAGING PAYMENTS
AND PROVIDING PAYMENT TO THE
WORKER, EVEN IF THEY ARE
CONSIDERED COMMUNAL, AND IT
INFINITE CONTRACTOR, IF THEY
HAVE THAT KIND OF TRANSACTIONAL
ROLE, THEN THE ORDINANCE WOULD
APPLY?
>> CORRECT.
IT IS AN APP THAT PROVIDES
SERVICES.
THEY SEND THE WORKERS AND THEY
PAY THE WORKERS THEY WOULD BE
COVERED BY THIS LEGISLATION.
IF THERE IS AN APP, IT IS
MAKING CONNECTIONS, I GUESS.
I WAS LOOKING FOR CHILD CARE
AND I WISH THERE WAS ONE APP
THAT SHOWED ME ALL OF THE
DIVIDERS AND WHO IS ACCEPTING
KIDDOS AND AT WHAT AGE THEY ARE
AT.
I KNOW THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO
HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE
WORKS, BUT LET'S -- IT WAS -- I
WOULD ASSUME A WORKER OR A USER
MIGHT ACTUALLY PAY A FEE FOR
THAT CONVENIENCE. IF THERE IS
ANY TRANSACTION TO BE ON A
PLATFORM OR TO USE A PLATFORM,
THAT STILL DOES NOT APPLY TO
THOSE WORKERS BECAUSE IT IS NOT
A FAT HOW MUCH THEY ARE GETTING
PAID AND THE RECEIPTS THEY HAVE
FROM THE TRANSACTION, FROM THE
RECIPIENT OF THE SERVICE.
>> CORRECT.
MIGHT SENSE FROM THE TYPE OF
RELATIONSHIP OR SITUATION YOU
ARE DESCRIBING IS THOSE THAT
WERE COMPANIES AND WORKERS
WOULD NOT BE COVERED BY THIS
LEGISLATION, SO YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT PURELY A POSTING OF WHO
IS AVAILABLE.
PERHAPS THE WORKERS PAID TO BE
THERE AND SOMETIMES THEY PAID
TO BE HIRED AS AN AT BASED
WORKER.
WHAT YOU -- WHAT YOU ARE
DESCRIBING SOUNDS LIKE THE
COMPANY DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL
OVER THE WORKER AND JUST
REFERRAL.
I IMAGINE THE OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS WILL HELP COMPANIES
AND WORKERS AND THE PUBLIC TO
UNDERSTAND WHO IS COVERED AND
NOT COVERED BY THIS.
I IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE IN
THEIR OUTREACH MATERIALS?
>> YOUR NEXT QUESTION IS
ADDRESSING THE FULL BREADTH OF
NETWORK COMPANIES AND APP-
BASED.
THERE ARE MANY WORKING IN THE
CITY AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS
GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE IN
THE FUTURE.
SO, EARLIER, I DESCRIBED THE
TYPE OF WORKERS THAT ARE
COVERED AND NOT COVERED.
THE LEGISLATION DOES HAVE A
FAIR AMOUNT OF DESCRIPTION OF
THE TYPES OF ONLINE ORDERS THAT
WOULD NOT BE COVERED AND THE
TYPE OF NETWORK COMPANIES THAT
WOULD NOT BE COVERED AND,
AGAIN, I THINK THE OFFICE OF
LABOR STANDARDS WOULD COME IN
AND HELP TO MAKE CLEAR WHETHER
-- THROUGH OUTREACH MATERIALS
AND QUESTIONS AND ANSWER
DOCUMENTS, TO HELP THE PUBLIC
UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPES OF
COMPANIES AND WORKERS ARE AND
ARE NOT COVERED.
>> DOES THAT ANSWER ALL YOUR
QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER?
OR DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP?
>> THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS
FOR NOW.
I HAVE A QUESTION IN A FEW
MINUTES, I AM SURE.
THANK YOU.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS BEFORE WE PROCEED
WITH THE CENTRAL STAFF
PRESENTATION?
OKAY, SEEING NONE.
WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE
PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU.
MOVING FORWARD TO MINIMUM
PAYMENT, AT ITS CORE, THIS
LEGISLATION WOULD REQUIRE THEY
RECEIVE A MINIMUM PAYMENT FOR
THEIR ENGAGED TIME AND THE
ENGAGED MILES.
THOSE TWO CONCEPTUAL TERMS,
ENGAGED TIME AND ENGAGED MILES
ARE AT THE CORE OF THIS
LEGISLATION.
THE ENGAGED TIME IS THE TIME
THAT A WORKER SPENDS PERFORMING
THE SERVICES FOR THE OFFER.
THE ENGAGED MILES ARE THE MILES
TRAVELED BY A WORKER DURING
THAT ENGAGED TIME.
THEY ARE PART OF THIS CONCEPT
AND THEY ARE INTERCONNECTED,
DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF WORK
THAT THE APP-BASED WORKER IS
DOING.
WHEN THE ENGAGED TIME STARTS
AND ENDS IS GOING TO DEPEND ON
THE TYPE OF OFFER THAT THE
WORKER IS PERFORMING.
SO IF THE OFFER IS FROM WHAT IS
TERMED " AN ON-DEMAND NETWORK
COMPANY" OR WHERE IT IS
EXPECTED TO HAPPEN WITHIN TWO
HOURS, THAT ENGAGED TIME IS
GOING TO BEGIN UPON ACCEPTANCE
OF OFFER AND IT IS GOING TO END
UPON COMPLETION OF THE OFFER,
OR CANCELLATION, WHATEVER
HAPPENS IN THAT UNIQUE
SITUATION.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A WORKER
ACCEPTS AN OFFER TO DELIVER
FOOD FROM A GROCERY STORE, THAT
ENGAGED TIME IS GOING TO BEGIN
AS SOON AS THAT WORKER SAYS,
YES, I WANT TO TAKE THIS OFFER.
THAT TIME IS GOING TO INCLUDE
THE TIME IT TAKES TO DRIVE FROM
WHEREVER THEY ARE, WHEN THEY
SAY, YES, TO THE GROCERY STORE,
BUYING THE GROCERIES,
DELIVERING THE GROCERIES TO THE
CUSTOMER IT WAS HOME, THAT
WOULD STOP AS SOON AS THEY ARE
DELIVERED.
MILEAGE WILL ALSO COUNT THAT
ENTIRE TIME.
THE MILEAGE CLOCK WOULD BEGIN
TAKING WHEN THE WORKER ACCEPTS
THE OFFER AND ALL THE WAY
THROUGH THE STORE AND TO THE
CUSTOMER'S HOME.
IN ALL OTHER SITUATIONS, ASIDE
FROM WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED, THE
ENGAGED TIME WOULD BEGIN UPON
THE OFFER, REPORTING TO THE
ASSIGNED LOCATION AND END OF --
FOR EXAMPLE, IF A CONSUMER,
THROUGH A NETWORK COMPANY, HAS
SOMEONE COME TO THEIR HOME TO
PUT TOGETHER SHELVES IN THE
CLOSET OR HANGINGS ON THE WALL
OR TO TAKE SOMETHING TO THE
DUMP, THE ENGAGED TIME WOULD
BEGIN WHEN THAT WORKER REPORTS
TO THE CONSUMER'S HOME OR WHEN
THEY BEGIN THE PERFORMANCE OF
THE OFFER, SAY THERE IS A
TIMING COMPONENT.
COME TO THE HOME AT 2:00.
THE PERFORMANCE WOULD BEGIN AT
2:00.
IT WOULD END WHEN THAT SPECIFIC
SERVICE WAS OVER.
IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION,
THERE IS NO MILEAGE BECAUSE THE
COMPANY WOULD NOT BE EXPECTED
TO COVER THE MILEAGE FROM
WHEREVER THE WORKER WAS, THEIR
HOME, OR A PREVIOUS AREA TO
THEIR DESTINATION.
HOWEVER, IF, DURING THE COURSE
OF THAT -- THE WORKER DOES
DRIVING CONNECTED TO THE
SERVICE, THAT WOULD BE COVERED.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE WORKER IS
GOING TO SOMEONE'S HOME AND
THEY PICK UP THE DOG AND THEY
GO TO THE DOG PARK AND THEY ARE
DRIVING THEIR CAR TO GET TO THE
DOG PARK, THAT MILEAGE TO AND
FROM THE DOG PARK WOULD COUNT
FOR PURPOSES OF ENGAGED MILEAGE
AND ALSO FOR ENGAGED TIME.
IF THE WORKER IS GOING TO
MULTIPLE HOMES TO PICK UP FOUR
DOGS, THEN ALL THAT MILEAGE
WOULD BE COVERED FROM HOME TO
HOME TO HOME AND BACK AGAIN
FROM THE PARK.
HERE IS A DEFINITION OF THE ON-
DEMAND NETWORK COMPANY.
IT IS QUITE BROAD AND IT HAS
SOME EXAMPLES BUT THE
PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO WHAT IT
WOULD INCLUDE BUT NOT BE
LIMITED TO COMPANIES PRIMARILY
ENGAGED IN FACILITATING OR
PRESENTING ON-DEMAND OFFERS
FROM EATING OR DRINKING
ESTABLISHMENTS, FOOD
PROCESSING, GROCERY STORES, OR
ANY FACILITIES SUPPLYING
GROCERIES.
THESE WOULD INCLUDE THE MERE
SITUATIONS OF DELIVERING
RESTAURANT FOOD, GROCERIES,
FROM A WAREHOUSE -- GHOST
KITCHENS, ET CETERA.
BECAUSE IT IS SO BROAD, IT
COULD ALSO INCLUDE DELIVERING
FROM A RETAIL STORE OR A
PHARMACY OR OTHER KINDS OF
STORES AS WELL.
AS FAR AS THE MATH OF THE
MINIMUM PAYMENT CALCULATION, IT
IS SIMPLY, AT ITS HEART, A
PERMANENT AMOUNT OF TIMES THE
NUMBER OF MINUTES PER MILE,
TIMES THE NUMBER OF ENGAGED
MILES AND YOU ADD THOSE TWO
TOGETHER AND YOU GET A MINIMUM
PAYMENT AMOUNT.
SO, I WILL WORK EVERYONE
THROUGH WHAT THAT PERMANENT
AMOUNT IS AND WHAT THAT MILE-AN-
HOUR IS AND HOW THEY GOT THERE.
SO THE PERMANENT AMOUNT FOR
2022 IS NINE CENTS A MINUTE.
THE PER MILE IS $.73 A MINUTE.
IT IS COMPRISED OF A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT FACTORS.
I WILL GO THROUGH EACH ONE.
AT A SUMMARY LEVEL, IT IS THE
MINIMUM WAGE EQUIVALENT AND
ASSOCIATED COST FACTOR AND
ASSOCIATED TIME FACTOR.
THE COST FACTOR AND THE TIME
FACTOR ARE MULTIPLIERS OF THE
MINIMUM WAGE EQUIVALENT.
THOSE ARE MULTIPLIED OR
COMPOUNDED ON THE MINIMUM WAGE
EQUIVALENT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE
EXPENSES THAT AN AND THE
CONTRACTOR HAS TO BEAR TO DO
THE WORK IN ALL THE TIME THAT
IS NECESSARY TO COMPLETE THE
WORK.
THE PER MILE AND OUT IS
COMPRISED OF THE IRS STANDARD
MILEAGE AMOUNT, WHICH IS WHAT
EMPLOYEES ARE OWED WHEN THEY
ARE DOING WORK FOR THEIR
EMPLOYER, AND IF THEY HAVE TO
DRIVE TO THE STORE OR THEY WORK
IN A RESTAURANT AND DRIVE TO
TH STORE TO GET THE EGGS OR
WHATEVER MATERIALS OR TO DRIVE
TO THE HOME CARE.
THEY EXPECT TO REIMBURSE THE
EMPLOYEE FOR THAT EXPENSE
BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE
EMPLOYER.
SIMILAR KINDS OF TEAR FOR THE
AD BASED WORKER.
THERE ALSO IS AN ASSOCIATED
FACTOR FOR MILEAGE, WHICH IS
THE MULTIPLIER THAT RECOGNIZES
WORKERS NEED TO DRIVE MORE THAN
OTHERS THAT ARE JUST CONNECTED
TO PERFORMING THE OFFER.
SO, I WILL GO BACK TO THIS MAIN
CALCULATION, JUST TO GIVE A
QUICK EXAMPLE BEFORE GOING TO
THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE VARIOUS
COMPONENTS.
SAY, IF A WORKER ACCEPTS AN
OFFER, TO DELIVER FOOD FROM A
RESTAURANT, THE ENTIRETY OF THE
OFFER TAKES 20 MINUTES TO
PERFORM AND THE WORKER DRIVES
FIVE MILES, THE PERMANENT AMOUNT
WITH ENGAGED MINUTES WOULD BE
$.39 TIMES 20 MINUTES, WHICH IS
$7.80.
THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE
UPPER MILE AMOUNT AND IT IS
FIVE MILES TIMES $.73.
THAT IS $3.65 -- IN TOTAL, THAT
OFFER TO DELIVER FOOD FROM THE
RESTAURANT TOOK 20 MINUTES AND
FIVE MILES AND THAT PAYMENT
WILL BE $11.45.
THE MINIMUM WAGE EQUIVALENT,
JUST TO BREAK THESE NUMBERS
DOWN, WILL NOT GO TOO DEEP INTO
THIS BECAUSE I KNOW I PRESENTED
IT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE
PAST.
IT IS THE PERMANENT AMOUNT FOR
WHATEVER THE MINIMUM WAGE IS.
THIS YEAR, IT IS $17.27 AN OUR.
YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 16 AND YOU
GET A PERMANENT AMOUNT WHICH IS
28.8 CENTS.
THE COST FACTOR IS COMPENSATING
WORKERS FOR EXPENSES THAT THEY
NEED TO PAY TO DO THEIR WORK.
A TYPICAL EMPLOYEE WOULD HAVE
THEIR EMPLOYER PAY FOR THESE
EXPENSES AND IN THIS SITUATION,
THE CONTRACTORS, THEY ARE THE
EXPENSE BUT IT IS BENEFITING
THE NETWORK COMPANY, SO THEY
ARE COMPENSATED FOR THOSE COSTS
UNDER THIS LEGISLATION.
SAME THING FOR THE ASSOCIATED
TIME FACTOR, RECOGNIZING THE
AMOUNT OF TIME A WORKER EXPENSE
FOR AN OFFER IS NOT LIMITED TO
THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO
DRIVE TO THE STORE AND BACK.
IT INCLUDES A TIME FOR REST
BREAKS AND TO REVIEW OFFERS AND
TIME IN BETWEEN EACH OFFER AND
TIME TO PERFORM ADMINISTRATIVE
TASKS.
THE MILEAGE FACTOR IS
COMPENSATING WORKERS FOR THE
MILES THAT THEY NEED TO DRIVE,
THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT
IS REQUIRED TO PERFORM THE
OFFER.
TRAVELING BETWEEN OFFERS,
TRAVELING TO LOCATIONS PER REST
BREAKS, ET CETERA.
NOW, SOME OFFERS MIGHT NOT RISE
-- ACTUALLY, WHAT -- COMPANIES
ARE REQUIRED TO PAY AT LEAST
FIVE DOLLARS FOR EVERY OFFER.
EVEN IF COMBINING THE MINUTES
AND THE MILES THEY DID NOT GET
TO FIVE DOLLARS, WORKERS WILL
STILL NEED TO BE COMPENSATED
FOR THAT AMOUNT.
THEY RECOGNIZE SITUATIONS WHERE
A WORKER MAYBE STARTS WORK ON
AN OFFER AND THE OFFER IS
CANCELED BY THE CUSTOMER OR BY
THE NETWORK COMPANY, THEN THE
WORKER WOULD STILL RECEIVE
PAYMENT OF FIVE DOLLARS.
THIS AMOUNT WOULD BE ANNUALLY
ADJUSTED EVERY YEAR TO REFLECT
INFLATION AND THEY COULD ISSUE
RULES TO ESTABLISH A GRACE
PERIOD BETWEEN ACCEPTANCE AND
CANCELLATION OF THE OFFER THAT
WOULD SERVE AS AN EXEMPTION TO
THIS MINIMUM PER OFFER AMOUNT.
THAT COULD COVER SITUATIONS OR
MAYBE CUSTOMERS ORDERED
SOMETHING THAT WAS PURELY A
MISTAKE AND WAS CANCELED VERY
QUICKLY AFTER THE WORKER
ACCEPTED THE OFFER.
THAT IS A REVIEW OF THE PAYMENT
CALCULATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
THAT COMPONENT OF THIS
PROPOSAL?
>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SECTION
FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS?
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CAN WE GO BACK TO SLIDE EIGHT?
>> YES.
I DO NOT MIND.
HERE WE ARE.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT -- THANK
YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
THIS QUESTION IS MORE
APPROPRIATE FOR CHERYL LEWIS OR
SHER HERBOLD.
THAT IS GREAT BUT THIS WOULD BE
HELPFUL.
I AM WONDERING ABOUT THE
MECHANICS OF THIS AND HOW IT
WOULD WORK FOR THE BREATH OF
THE WORKERS THAT WE JUST TALKED
ABOUT.
ARE THERE INSTANCES IN WHICH
SOMEONE ACCEPTS AN OFFER AND
DOES NOT BEGIN WORK ON IT,
LIKE, PRESCHEDULED DELIVERY,
FOR EXAMPLE, FOR TWO HOURS BUT
THE CLOCK STARTS UNDER EXAMPLE
ONE?
I ASSUME THAT HAPPENS ON THE
BACK END?
>> RIGHT, IN SITUATIONS WHERE
IT IS PRESCHEDULED, BUT
PERFORMANCE IS EXPECTED WITHIN
THAT TWO OUR WINDOW, THAT THE
COMPANY WOULD NEED TO KNOW,
OKAY, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE KIND
OF OFFER WHERE ENGAGED TIME
BEGINS UPON ACCEPTANCE.
IF A WORKER ACCEPTS AN OFFER
WITHIN ONE OUR, THEY NEED TO GO
TO SOMEONE'S HOME TO TAKE CARE
OF A PAD OR TO DO SOMETHING
ELSE, TO DO SOMETHING, THAT
WILL TAKE CARE -- THE COMPANY
IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IDENTIFYING
THOSE SITUATIONS.
IF IT IS SOMETHING WHERE THE
WORKER IS AGREEING IN THREE
DAYS TO GO TO SOMEONE'S HOME,
TO TAKE CARE OF THE PETS, THEN
THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
IDENTIFYING THAT, WHERE ENGAGED
TIME BEGINS WHEN THE WORKER
REPORTS TO THE HOME OR WHATEVER
TIME THAT OFFER IS SCHEDULED TO
BEGIN.
>> OKAY, THAT IS HELPFUL.
I THINK MY LAST QUESTION, I SEE
SOME OTHER ENDS, SO I WILL BE
BRIEF.
YOU HAVE CONSIDERED STACKING OR
THE INSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE
MULTIPLE PICKUPS AND DROP OFFS
AT THE SAME TIME.
HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED AND
CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH HOW
THAT MIGHT WORK UNDER THIS
SCENARIO?
>> FOR SITUATIONS WITH
STACKING, THAT WOULD BE
CONSIDERED A SINGLE OFFER.
UNDER THIS LEGISLATION.
IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMPANY
TO COMBINE ALL OF THE OFFERS,
SUCH THAT IT WOULD BE
CONSIDERED A SINGLE OFFER AND
THEN ALL OF THE ENGAGED TIME
AND THE MILEAGE WOULD ALL BE
CONSOLIDATED FOR THE WORKER.
SO, I THINK THAT PROBABLY WOULD
WORK BEST WITH SOMETHING THAT
IS PRESCHEDULED, ALTHOUGH IT
MIGHT FIT INTO THE ON-DEMAND
SITUATION IF IT IS WITHIN TWO
HOURS.
IT WILL BE UP TO THE COMPANY TO
BUNDLE THOSE TOGETHER.
THERE COULD BE SITUATIONS
WHERE, AS THE WORKER IS
PERFORMING AN OFFER, THEY GET
NOTICED, WHILE YOU'RE AT THE
STORE, PICK UP EGGS AND MILK
FOR ANOTHER CUSTOMER THAT LIVES
NEARBY.
THAT CAN STILL BE CONSIDERED
FOR A SINGLE OFFER BUT THERE
ARE SOME LIMITATIONS OR
PARAMETERS ON DATA THAT ARE
LISTED IN THE LEGISLATION.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
ANY MORE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS?
OKAY, COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR
LEWIS.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
JUST TAKING A STEP BACK, ARE
THERE ANY OTHER CITIES THAT
HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS TYPE OF
PROGRAM?
>> SO, FOR RIDESHARE DRIVERS,
SEATTLE HAS MINIMUM
COMPENSATION FOR RIDESHARE
DRIVERS.
NEW YORK CITY HAS A MINIMUM
COMPENSATION.
NEW YORK CITY ALSO HAS JUST
PASSED LEGISLATION REQUIRING
THEIR EQUIVALENT OF THE OFFICE
OF LABOR STANDARDS TO DEVELOP A
MINIMUM PAYMENT STANDARD FOR
FOOD DELIVERY DRIVERS.
SO, THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF LOCAL
JURISDICTIONS THAT EITHER HAVE
IT REGULATED OR IN THE PROCESS
OF REGULATING THESE TYPES OF
WORKERS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS
WOULD BE THE MOST TO -- THIS
WOULD BE THE WIDEST BREATH OF
WORKERS COVERED BY LOCAL
LEGISLATION.
IN MASSACHUSETTS, THESE TYPES
OF WORKERS ARE CONSIDERED
EMPLOYEES AND IN CALIFORNIA,
THERE IS THE PROPOSITION 22,
THE VOTER APPROVED BALLOT
INITIATIVE WHERE COMPANIES THAT
ARE CATEGORIZED AS INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS, RATHER THAN
EMPLOYEES, THAT PARTICULAR
PROPOSITION HAS A PAYMENT
STRUCTURE IN IT FOR WORKERS
THAT, RIGHT NOW, IT IS IN THE
COURTS BECAUSE THE SUPERIOR
COURT DECLARED THAT
UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THE DIRECTORY AND THE LONG-TERM
OUTCOME OF THAT LOVE REMAINS TO
BE SEEN.
>> YOU HAVE A FOLLOW MEMBER?
>> YES, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT
COME I'M NOT HEARING ANY OTHER
PEOPLE THAT HAVE THIS LEVEL OF
A PROGRAM YET.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE
TIME ENGAGED.
THE EXAMPLE YOU HAVE GIVEN WAS
SOMEBODY ASKED TO DO SOMETHING
AN OUR FROM NOW AND THEY START
-- THEY START GETTING PAID
INTERMITTENTLY, EVEN THOUGH
THEY'RE NOT EN ROUTE TO THE
ASSIGNMENT?
>> CORRECT.
THE IDEA WITH THE TWO OUR CUT
OFF IS THAT IT IS A SHORT
ENOUGH TIME THAT IT MIGHT
PREVENT A WORKER FROM ENGAGING
IN OTHER WORK, SO IN THAT KIND
OF SITUATION, THE ENGAGED TIME
WOULD BEGIN IMMEDIATELY UPON
ACCEPTANCE OF AN OFFER.
IF IT IS ONE THAT BEGINS TWO
HOURS LATER, THEN THEY WOULD
HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THEIR
SCHEDULE AND ENGAGED TIME WOULD
BEGIN WHEN THEY STARTED THE
OFFER OR THE AGREED-UPON TIME.
>> THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING
THAT.
>> RATE, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
YOU ARE MUTED, COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT
MIGHT BLEED A BIT INTO OTHER
SECTIONS BUT THIS IS MY FIRST
TIME PUBLICLY ENGAGING IN THIS,
SO I WANT TO JUST TO
CONTEXTUALIZE THESE QUESTIONS
WITH A COUPLE COMMENTS.
SO, I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH A
VARIETY OF STAKEHOLDERS,
INCLUDING THOSE REPRESENTING
COMPANIES WITH VERY DIFFERENT
BUSINESS MODELS, AND THIS IS A
REGULATORY FRAMEWORK THAT IS
CREATED -- IT IS VERY WIDE
REACHING.
IT WILL HAVE VERY DIFFERENT
IMPACTS ON DIFFERENT COMPANIES
ACCORDING TO THEIR BUSINESS
MODEL AND DIFFERENT IMPACTS ON
THE WORKERS AND THE CUSTOMERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES HAVE
PROVIDED A WAY FOR SMALL
BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUAL FOR
NEW WORDS TO ACCESS CUSTOMERS
AND EXPAND REACH.
WE KNOW THAT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS
AND IT IS ALSO ALLOWING END
USERS AND CUSTOMERS TO ACCESS A
LOT MORE GOODS AND SERVICES
MORE EASILY.
WE HAVE SEEN, DURING COVID,
THESE PLATFORMS HAVE BECOME,
YOU KNOW, A RESOURCE, A
LIFELINE, FOR MANY SMALL
BUSINESSES TO KEEP AFLOAT.
WE HAVE ALSO SEEN THESE
PLATFORMS HAVE KIND OF SHIFTED
FROM A CONVENIENCE TO A
NECESSITY.
THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN HELPING
BILLABLE PEOPLE LIKE MY MOTHER-
IN-LAW.
THEY'RE NOT INTERACTING WITH
THE PUBLIC DURING THE PANDEMIC.
IF THERE IS THIS A FUNCTION,
PROVIDING ACCESS TO FOOD AND
SERVICES, AND THEY HAVE ALSO
PROVIDED JOBS FOR WORKERS, AND
THAT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT
FOR PEOPLE THAT OF GOTTEN LAID
OFF DURING THE PANDEMIC, WHICH
IS JUST TO BE IMPACTING PEOPLE
OF COLOR, IMMIGRANTS, ET
CETERA, WHOSE JOBS WERE LESS
SECURE.
SO, ANYWAY, BEEN UP TO MY
QUESTION.
WE KNOW -- IT BUILDS ON
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN'S BUT
BECAUSE HE WAS ASKING ABOUT
PRESIDENTS.
I AM LOOKING AT THE FAIR SHARE,
SOME OF THE IMPACTS OF FAIR
SHARE AND WE KNOW THAT FAIR
SHARE INCREASES THE COST OF A
RIDE BY NEARLY 50% FOR UBER AND
LYFT DRIVERS.
THAT IS RIDESHARE -- TOO
EXPENSIVE FOR SOME.
DRIVERS NOW MAKE UP WORDS OF
160% OF THE SEATTLE MINIMUM
WAGE AND WE HAVE SEEN A DECLINE
IN DEMAND FOR RIDES.
SO, HOURLY MIGHT HAVE GONE UP,
BUT WORK AVAILABLE MIGHT HAVE
GONE DOWN OR AT LEAST THAT IS
WHAT I AM HEARING.
THE AVERAGE EARNINGS STANDARD
FOR DELIVERY APT DRIVERS UNDER
THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 170% OF
SEATTLE'S MINIMUM WAGE AND LET
ME SEE -- I AM SUPPORTIVE OF
PROVIDING WORKERS IN THE GIG
ECONOMY A LIVABLE WAGE.
MY QUESTION IS, WHAT KIND OF
ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE TO
ANTICIPATE THE IMPACTS OF
INCREASED COST OF DELIVERY ON
SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE THE
RESTAURANTS WERE ON DRIVERS IF
THE COST DECREASES DEMAND FOR
DELIVERIES, AND ALSO WHAT ARE
THE IMPACTS ON LOW INCOME,
VERBAL END CUSTOMERS WHO DECIDE
THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE
INCREASED DELIVERY FEE?
>> THERE IS A LOT TO IMPACT ON
PACK.
I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE
QUESTIONS.
IT HELPS TO BEGIN WITH THE
POLICY PURPOSE OF THE LAW,
WHICH IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
WORKERS ARE PAID A FAIR AMOUNT
FOR THE TIME THAT THEY ARE
ENGAGED IN THIS VERY VITAL
WORK, FOR THE NETWORK COMPANIES
--, SO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF
THE FAIR SHARE ORDINANCE, IT
WAS LEARNED THAT CERTAIN
DRIVERS WERE EARNING A LITTLE
BIT LESS THAN $10 PER HOUR, AND
THAT WAS AN ACCOUNTING FIRM
WITH EXPENSES THAT THEY WERE
PAYING FOR, TO DO THAT WORK.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
WAS MOTIVATING THAT FAIR SHARE
ORDINANCE.
THE RESEARCH FOR OUTPACED
WORKERS HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN
SEATTLE.
IT HAS BEEN DONE IN OTHER
PLACES, LIKE SAN FRANCISCO,
WHERE IT WAS FOUND THAT DRIVERS
WERE EARNING SOMEWHERE AROUND
SIX DOLLARS PER HOUR FOR THEIR
WORK.
AGAIN, NOT BEING PAID FOR
EXPENSES.
SO, THE PURPOSE OF THIS
PROPOSAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
THERE IS A GUARANTEED MINIMUM
FOR PAYMENT OF WORK, THAT
CORRESPONDS TO PAYMENT FOR
EMPLOYEES.
SO, AS WITH MINIMUM WAGE, THERE
COULD BE PRICE INCREASES.
I THINK IF ONE LOOKS TO
CALIFORNIA, YES, THERE WERE
PRICE INCREASES AFTER
PROPOSITION 22 WENT INTO
EFFECT.
PRICE INCREASES IN NEW YORK
CITY FOR TMC.
SAME THING WITH SEATTLE.
I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN FOUND
THUS FAR IS THERE IS A CERTAIN
AMOUNT OF ELASTICITY FOR THE
SERVICES, SO CUSTOMERS ARE
STILL BUYING THEM IS STILL
DOING THE RIDES.
THEY ARE STILL ORDERING TO GO
TO BE DELIVERED.
CERTAINLY, WITH TMC DRIVERS,
THE RIDERSHIP VOMITED DURING
COVID-19 WITHOUT A DOUBT AND
THAT IMPACTED A LOT OF DRIVERS.
MANY OF THEM TURNED TO APP-
BASED DELIVERY WORK AS ANOTHER
FORM OF EARNING MONEY.
SO THAT KIND OF EXPLODED FOR A
DIFFERENT KIND OF WORK.
BUILT INTO THE FAIR SHARE
LEGISLATION IS ACTUALLY THE
EXPECTATION THAT COMPANIES
MIGHT TAKE MEASURES TO REDUCE
THE WORK OPPORTUNITIES FOR
WORKERS, SO THAT THERE ARE
FEWER WORKERS AVAILABLE FOR
WORK, SO IT IS PROMOTING MORE
FULL-TIME WORK FOR DRIVERS,
RATHER THAN MANY DRIVERS DOING
WORK THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE
WITH INCOME.
WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING
HAPPENING WITH FAIR SHARE, TO A
CERTAIN EXTENT, MIGHT HAVE BEEN
EXPECTED AS AN EXPECTED
OUTCOME, AS PART OF THAT
PROPOSAL AND, IN A FEW YEARS,
LABOR STANDARDS WILL REEVALUATE
THE UTILIZATION RATE FOR THAT
LAW, LOOKING AT HOW LONG
DRIVERS ARE WAITING FOR A RIDE.
SOME OF THAT WAS EXPECTED.
AS FAR AS PRICES GOING UP AND
HOW ABOUT IT FX LOWER INCOME
CONSUMERS, I THINK ONE THING TO
NOTE IS -- I WILL SHOW YOU AN
EXAMPLE OF A CONSUMER WHO WAS
ORDERING GROCERIES AND IS THE
RECIPIENT OF A SNAP SUBSIDY FOR
FOOD.
THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR THOSE
PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS, WHERE
THEY COULD -- THERE ARE SOME
GROCERY STORES THAT OFFER STORE
BASED DELIVERY FOR THOSE THAT
ARE USING THEIR SNAP CARD.
AMAZON MAKES SERVICES, DELIVERY
SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR
INDIVIDUALS USING THEIR EBT
CARD, WHERE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO
PURCHASE MEMBERSHIP TO PRIME.
HOWEVER, YES, PRICES WILL GO
UP.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED
TO BE READY FOR AND COMPANIES
WILL FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TO
PASS ON TO THE CONSUMER AND HOW
MUCH TO ABSORB AND I DO NOT
KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT ONE CAN
LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH
THE MINIMUM WAGE, BUT THE SAME
SORTS OF ARGUMENTS ARE IN PLACE
FOR THE MINIMUM WAGE AS WELL.
SO, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO
COMPARE AND CONTRAST HOW
APPLICABLE THAT RESEARCH IS TO
THE APP-BASED WORK AND THE
COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SEATTLE HAS BEEN DOING WELL
SINCE THE MINIMUM WAGE WAS PUT
INTO PLACE, BUT THERE WERE
CERTAIN COMPANIES THAT WERE
IMPACTED MORE THAN OTHERS.
>> I AM HEARING THAT -- IT IS
SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE
MINIMUM WAGE, LIKE WHAT WAS
INSTITUTED IN SAN FRANCISCO.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANALYSIS OF
THAT, RIGHT?
>> THE SAN FRANCISCO, THE STUDY
OF WHAT APP-BASED WORKERS MAKE
WAS SEPARATE FROM MINIMUM
PAYMENT STANDARDS.
THAT WAS RESEARCHED AND DONE BY
ACADEMICS AND POLICY FOLKS.
AS FAR AS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN
CALIFORNIA WITH THE INCREASED
PRICES, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING
TO RESEARCH.
I CAN TAKE NOTE OF THAT AND I
CAN SEE HOW THAT IS AFFECTING
THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THAT IS
AFFECTING BUSINESSES AS WELL.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, KARINA.
RIVER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR
THIS PORTION OF THE
PRESENTATION?
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON RAISED
THAT IS DEFINITELY VERY
RELEVANT IS THE INTERACTION
BETWEEN THE RESTAURANTS AND THE
PLATFORM IN TERMS OF THE PAST
ON COSTS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING,
DURING THE PANDEMIC, THAT THEY
DID A LOT OF WORK ON, JUST TO
-- WE DID EFFECTIVELY WORK
TOGETHER TO PUT A LIMIT ON WHAT
THE FEES COULD BE.
TO MITIGATE AND LIMIT WHAT A
LOT OF RESTAURANT OWNERS WERE
SAYING -- YOU KNOW, THEY WERE
GOUGING RATES OF CONSIDERABLE
PERCENTAGES.
SO, I THINK WE DO PROBABLY HAVE
SOME DATA WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE
FROM, WHAT THE IMPACT OF THOSE
LIMITS HAD ON THE LOCAL ECONOMY
FROM THAT REGULATION BEING IN
PLACE FOR A YEAR.
WE ALSO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF
HAVING THE HAZARD PAY
LEGISLATION THAT COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD AND I PASSED IN 2020.
YOU KNOW, IT IS SORT OF SIMILAR
IN CONCEPT TO THE THINGS WE ARE
DISCUSSING, WE COULD PROBABLY
LOOK TO TO SEE HOW THAT HAS
AFFECTED THE MARKET, GIVEN THAT
HAZARD PAY HAS BEEN IN PLACE,
AT THIS POINT, FOR WHITE QUITE
A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
BETWEEN THOSE POINTS, I THINK
THIS IS A GOOD PART IN THE
PROCESS TO CHECK IN ON WHAT THE
IMPACT HAS BEEN.
OBVIOUSLY, THESE PLATFORMS
REMAIN PROLIFIC IN OUR LOCAL
ECONOMY.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANY OF
THOSE PLATFORMS MARKET OR
ALTERED THE WAY THEY OPERATE IN
RESPONSE TO EITHER OF THOSE
INTERVENTIONS, BUT THEY COULD
OFFER SOME ASSESSMENT AND GLEAN
SOME LESSONS THAT COULD BE
INSTRUCTIVE FOR THE BROADER
LEGISLATION.
I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS
FROM COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON AND
THINK THERE ARE SOME WAYS WE
CAN GATHER SOME CONTEXT FOR
THAT INFORMATION.
>> SORRY.
WAS THAT YOU, COUNCILMEMBER?
I AM SORRY.
>> I SHOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL
YOU FINISH.
WHAT YOU DID WITH LIMITING THE
DELIVERY FEE REALLY DID HELP
THOSE RESTAURANTS, SO I WANT TO
COMMEND THE COUNCIL FOR DOING
THAT, AND AT THE SAME TIME, I
HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT IMPACTED
THE WORKERS, IF THAT CUT INTO
THEIR PAY, THE DRIVERS.
SO, THERE ARE THREE PIECES.
THERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
APPLYING THE GOODS THAT ARE
BEING DELIVERED, THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE DELIVERING AND THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING THE
COSTS.
IT IS COMPLICATED AND IT IS
HARD TO CALIBRATE, YOU KNOW,
THE IMPACTS ACROSS THE BOARD,
BUT WHAT I AM REALLY HEARING IN
SOME OF THESE OTHER DISCUSSIONS
IS THE BUSINESS MODELS ARE VERY
DIFFERENT.
ON THE ONE HAND, YOU HAVE ROVER
-- I DO NONE OF THEM MAKE A
POINT -- THIS IS THE PET CARE
COMPANY, PLATFORM, AND I DO NOT
KNOW THEY MAKE APPOINTMENTS ON
DEMAND OR IF THEY ARE SET UP.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WOULD BE
CAPTURED BY WAITING FOR THE JOB
TO BEGIN SAYING, BUT THEY ARE
VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE A LOT OF
THOSE FOLKS, THIS IS REALLY A
SIDE HUSTLE FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE.
MOST OF THEM MAKE UNDER $2000 A
YEAR ON THE APP.
THEY OFTEN DO JOBS THAT ARE
OVERNIGHT, SO THE MINIMUM
STANDARD FOR THE HOURLY PAY
MIGHT RENDER THEIR SERVICES
UNAFFORDABLE TO YOUR TYPICAL
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO OUT OF
TOWN AND NEED THEIR DOGS SAID.
IT IS DIFFERENT TO THE DELIVERY
OF FOOD DRIVERS THAT ARE DOING
A LOT OF TRICKS ALL DAY LONG.
THAT WAS MY POINT WHEN I
MENTIONED IT AT THE BEGINNING,
ABOUT COMPLEXITY OF THIS
BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT
BUSINESS MODELS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT
DISCUSSION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, SINCE WE
ARE GETTING A LITTLE LATE IN
THE MORNING, THAT WE FINISH OFF
THE PRESENTATION AND THEN ALLOW
FOR SOME LAST QUESTIONS.
IS THERE A LITTLE MORE, KARINA?
YEAH, AND I CAN GO THROUGH IT
QUICKLY.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, I WILL
ADD THERE IS A SECTION IN THE
LEGISLATION THAT ADDRESSES THE
SITUATION, WHERE, SAY FOR
EXAMPLE, SOMEONE IS SPENDING
THE NIGHT AT SOMEONE'S PLACE,
WHETHER TO TAKE CARE OF A PET
OR A PERSON, SO THE OFFICE OF
LABOR STANDARDS WOULD ISSUE
RULES ON THAT SORT OF
SITUATION, AS WHAT COUNTS IS
COMPENSABLE TIME VERSUS OFF-
DUTY TIME.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT
LABOR STANDARDS CAN COMMENT ON.
THE SAME KIND OF ISSUE IS IN
THE EMPLOYMENT CONTEXT, WHERE
THERE ARE OVERNIGHT HEALTHCARE
WORKERS IN SOMEONE'S HOME AS
WELL.
IT IS NOT WITHOUT PRECEDENT AND
IT IS COMPLICATED BY THE
LEGISLATION.
MOVING FORWARD, TWO OTHER
PIECES OF THE LEGISLATION
ADDRESSED TRANSPARENCY AND
MORE.
TRANSPARENCY, THOSE
REQUIREMENTS WOULD MANDATE
INFORMATION TO WORKERS, SO THEY
KNOW WHAT TYPE OF OFFER THEY
ARE ACCEPTING.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW
THAT OFFER FOR A PERIOD OF
TIME, THREE MINUTES.
THEY LEARN ABOUT HOW LONG IT
WOULD TAKE AN WORD WOULD TAKE
PLACE AND WHAT THEIR PAYMENT
WOULD BE AND WHAT THE PHYSICAL
REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, ET
CETERA.
WORKERS AND CUSTOMERS WOULD
HAVE THE RIGHT TO ELECTRONIC
RECEIPTS AFTER THE WORK IS
PERFORMED AND WORKERS WOULD
ALSO GET WEEKLY STATEMENTS
REGARDING THEIR EARNINGS.
A 14 DAY NOTICE TO WORKERS
BEFORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO
PAYMENT CALCULATIONS, AND THEN
COMPANIES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
PROVIDE INFORMATION TO OFFICE
OF LABOR STANDARDS TO HELP THEM
WITH ENFORCEMENT AND
POLICYMAKING AS WELL.
THAT COULD BE DETERMINING WHAT
THE ASSOCIATED TIME FACTOR
WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE FUTURE
AND IF IT WOULD NEED TO BE
ADJUSTED.
FLEXIBILITY -- I THINK ONE OF
THE PART OF THE REASONS WHY
MANY CHOOSE APP-BASED WORK ,
AND THE FREEDOM TO DECIDE WHEN
TO WORK AND HOW LONG TO WORK
AND WHAT TYPES OF OFFERS TO
ACCEPT OR REJECT, THE
LEGISLATION WOULD LAYOUT THE
WORKERS' RIGHTS ON THESE
PARTICULAR MATTERS AND THEY
WOULD INCLUDE THE RIGHT TO
CANCEL AN OFFER.
WORKERS WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO
DO THAT WITHOUT BEING SUBJECT
TO SANCTIONS LIKE DEACTIVATION.
THEY COULD GET THE MINIMUM FIVE
DOLLAR PAYMENT AS WELL.
THIS CURRENT DRAFT DOES REFLECT
A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF POLICY
DECISION-MAKING BY THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS AND I HAVE OUTLINED
SOME OF THOSE THINGS HERE.
I THINK WE ARE RUNNING SHORT ON
TIME, SO I WILL SEE HOW QUICKLY
I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE PREVIOUS PAY
STANDARD WAS BASED ON WHAT TYPE
OF OFFER A WORKER ACCEPTED.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THAT ON-
DEMAND NETWORK COMPANY.
IT IS LIKE A QUICK WAY FOR THE
COMPANY TO KNOW IF -- FOR THE
LABOR STANDARDS TO KNOW WHAT
THE ENGAGED TIME IS AND WHAT
PAYMENT IS OWED TO THE WORKER
FOR THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF
SITUATION.
COMPANIES ARE REQUIRED TO PAY
OR ENSURE A WORKER RECEIVES THE
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY,
RECOGNIZING THAT SOMETIMES IT
IS A THIRD-PARTY THAT
DISTRIBUTES THOSE PAYMENTS,
RATHER THAN THE COMPANY.
THE COMPANY WOULD STILL BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE
THAT THE PARTY PAID THAT
REQUIRED AMOUNT.
THE GRACE PERIOD IS NEW.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
HAPPENING WITH THE MINIMUM
COMPENSATION AND THEY ARE
CONTEMPLATING A GRACE PERIOD
FOR THAT.
IT WAS ADDED TO THIS ORDINANCE
AS WELL.
SIMPLIFIED REQUIREMENTS PROVIDE
INFORMATION ON THE CONTENTS OF
AN ORDER -- THERE WERE SPECIFIC
REQUIREMENTS THAT COMPANIES
WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE -- IF IT
POSED A HEALTH RISK OR VIOLATED
PERSONAL BELIEFS.
THAT IS STREAMLINED AND THE
NEED TO PASS ON WHAT THEY KNOW
ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF AN ORDER.
UPDATED PENALTIES.
THIS IS SIMPLY REFLECTING THAT
IT IS NO LONGER 2021 AND
PENALTY AMOUNTS HAVE BEEN
INCREASED TO REFLECT INFLATION
FOR 2022 AND TO BE CONSISTENT
WITH LABOR STANDARDS AND, ALAS,
THERE IS NO EFFECTIVE DATE IN
THIS DRAFT LEGISLATION.
AS TIME MOVES ON, IT WILL
REFLECT 12 MONTHS AFTER COUNCIL
-- THOSE 12 MONTHS ARE FOR
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS TO
PREPARE FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND
THEY DO A WHOLE HOST OF
ACTIVITIES WHILE MAKING
OUTREACH, TRANSLATION,
COORDINATING WITH THEIR
COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
IT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
WORK.
12 MONTHS IS FOR OTHER KINDS OF
LEGISLATION AS WELL.
THIS WOULD NOT BE A UNIQUE
SITUATION AND IF THERE ARE
OTHER LAWS PASSED AS PART OF
THIS PACKAGE, THOSE MONTHS WILL
BE VERY IMPORTANT AND WILL
ALLOW US TO PREPARE.
NEXT UP, THEY WOULD INCLUDE
INTRODUCTION, ACTUAL
INTRODUCTION OF THIS
LEGISLATION, AND THEN LATER ON,
DISCUSSION OF OTHER DRAFT
BILLS, SUCH AS THE ONES
COVERING OTHER ISSUES AFFECTING
THESE WORKERS LIKE
DEACTIVATION, BATHROOM ACCESS,
PROTECTIONS AGAINST
DISCRIMINATION, ET CETERA.
SO THAT IS THE END OF THE
PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE
QUESTIONS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT
LAST SECTION OF THE
PRESENTATION?
OKAY, I AM SEEING NONE.
JUST TO GIVE A COUPLE WRAP OF
COMMENTS ON THIS, THIS IS STILL
-- AS WE MENTIONED AT THE
BEGINNING, STILL A DRAFT OF AN
INTRODUCED LEGISLATION.
SO, THIS IS STILL IN A FAIRLY
EARLY PROCESS.
OBVIOUSLY, AMY AND KARINA WILL
MAKE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE TO
COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANT TO
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE
LEGISLATION AND WANT TO
EXPLORE SOME OF THESE POLICY
AREAS OFFLINE.
SO, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY
TO GET AN UPDATE TO THE PUBLIC
úAND TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON
WHERE THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE
HEADING.
I DO WANT TO FLAG THAT
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD HAS
HOSTED DOZENS OF MEETINGS TO
DATE, INVOLVING LOTS OF
STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS PROCESS
SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS
YEAR AND THEN THROUGHOUT LAST
YEAR, QUITE AN EXTENSIVE
STAKEHOLDER PROCESS AS WELL.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS BEEN PUT ON
HOLD FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS.
IT IS NOW -- IT HAS TAKEN UP
AGAIN AND I AM SURE THAT
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD WILL BE
BACK IN PERSON TO ADDRESS THAT.
THAT WILL BE WHEN SHE MAKES A
RECOVERY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING
THIS DISCUSSION AND THIS
CONVERSATION.
THE NEXT STEPS -- WE JUST
INDICATED, THE STAKEHOLDER
CONVERSATIONS WILL CONTINUE,
EVEN AFTER LEGISLATION IS
INTRODUCED.
WE ALWAYS KNOW THERE IS AN
EXTENSIVE CONSIDERATION OF
AMENDMENT PROCESS AND I
CERTAINLY ANTICIPATE COUNCIL
MEMBERS BOTH IN THIS COMMITTEE
AND THE WHOLE COUNCIL WILL HAVE
SOME ISSUES THEY WANT TO RAISE
ANDREW INTO WITH MORE DETAIL.
THERE IS REALLY A HOPE THAT WE
CAN CONTINUE TO REFINE THE
LEGISLATION AND CRAFT A POLICY
THAT IS GOING TO WORK FOR
BUSINESSES, INCLUDING, YOU
KNOW, THE RESTAURANTS AS WE
DISCUSSED THROUGH -- PROVIDING
THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DELIVERY
AND THE PLATFORM.
AND ALSO PROVIDES WORKERS WITH
BENEFITS AND PROTECTIONS
SIMILARLY SITUATED FOR WORKERS
WHO DO NON-GIG WORK CURRENTLY.
AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS
NEW AND EMERGENT FIELD OF GIG
ECONOMY WORK IS NOT SOMEHOW
TREATED DIFFERENTLY WITH
DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAN HOW WE
OTHERWISE TREAT TRADITIONAL
WAGE AND MORE PERMANENT WORK,
NOT DELIVERED ON THESE APP-
BASED PLATFORMS.
A GOOD DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO CENTRAL
STAFF FOR ANSWERING OUR
QUESTIONS AND GIVING THAT
PRESENTATION, INCLUDING ANY.
THANK YOU FOR ORGANIZING A
GREAT POLICY PROCESS.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
SERVICE AND I KNOW I SPEAK FOR
THE WHOLE COMMITTEE ON THAT.
MOVING FORWARD HERE, TO
ADJOURNMENT, IS THERE ANYTHING
FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER
BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE COMMITTEE
THIS MORNING?
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR
BEARING WITH ME FILLING IN AS
VICE CHAIR.
YOU WILL NOT TRY TO MAKE A
HABIT OF THIS.
WE ALL WISH, ME MORE THAN
ANYONE ELSE, SO I DON'T HAVE TO
CHAIR TWO COMMITTEES, SPEEDY
RECOVERY TO COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD.
WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN AND
I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GOOD
AFTERNOON.